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Old 11-28-2008, 09:33 PM   #1
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I find that the MVP candidates are ones with winning teams. But the thing is, what if you are stuck on a **** team and all your players suck, but your putting up huge numbers? Shouldn't it be mostly based on individual stats and not on how your team is doing mostly? I am not saying that how your team is doing should be completely dimiinished as part of the voting, but it should only be a bonus to how you are doing.
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I find that the MVP candidates are ones with winning teams. But the thing is, what if you are stuck on a **** team and all your players suck, but your putting up huge numbers? Shouldn't it be mostly based on individual stats and not on how your team is doing mostly? I am not saying that how your team is doing should be completely dimiinished as part of the voting, but it should only be a bonus to how you are doing.
The counter to that is what good is that outstanding individual play if it doesn't help the team win? Contributions should help the team win, that's why most people taking winning into account. However, some people just look at wins, and not how much that player is responsible for the wins.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:39 PM   #3
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The counter to that is what good is that outstanding individual play if it doesn't help the team win? Contributions should help the team win, that's why most people taking winning into account. However, some people just look at wins, and not how much that player is responsible for the wins.


Excellent posts. The MVP award will always be rewarded to the best player of the top 3 teams in the NBA.

If your team is not winning, you don't deserve to win the award.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:41 PM   #4
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Excellent posts. The MVP award will always be rewarded to the best player of the top 3 teams in the NBA.

If your team is not winning, you don't deserve to win the award.

More than 3 teams in the league are "winning".
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:46 PM   #5
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Default Re: MVP: Good Numbers AND Winning?

Well I made this post after seeing the MVP standings for this week. Bosh had a HUGE week....but 6? Really? It is not his fault that his team lacks on defense. He can't do everything himself. He is getting his team involved as much as possible but not even superman can save these guys....
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:49 PM   #6
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Default Re: MVP: Good Numbers AND Winning?

the mvp has a huge amount of subjectivity in it, but at the same time, it has to be a player on a top team. they go hand in hand, and many a player who may have been deserving would not be considered due to their team's record.



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I find that the MVP candidates are ones with winning teams. But the thing is, what if you are stuck on a **** team and all your players suck, but your putting up huge numbers? Shouldn't it be mostly based on individual stats and not on how your team is doing mostly? I am not saying that how your team is doing should be completely dimiinished as part of the voting, but it should only be a bonus to how you are doing.

tracy mcgrady, orlando magics. andrew decrap, darrel armstrong, juwan howard... . brought them to the first round of the playoffs, dunno how a human can do anything more w/ that team
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:59 PM   #8
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Default Re: MVP: Good Numbers AND Winning?

I think as long as a player helps his team win games, it shouldn't matter whether it's 45 or 65. Was Kobe a better player last year than the year before? No, but his teammates improved and they got Gasol. Was Kobe more valuable? No. Same goes for LeBron. IMO he not playing better than 2 years ago, but his team is winning games because of an improved roster.
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Old 11-28-2008, 10:05 PM   #9
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The MVP is a joke. It is chosen by a bunch of media guys who probablly don't watch half the games (other than ones they cover). I'm not saying the fans should vote because then every year till he retired Kobe would win (lots of band wagoon fans in LA) but I think maybe the players should choose. Who better to know who is the most deserving than players that play them?

I mean look at the last several MVP's. Nash 2x, Dirk, Kobe. Only one of those is even close to the best player in the NBA. The MVP should go to the Most Valuable Player, not the best player on the best team (AKA the MVP).
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Old 11-28-2008, 10:13 PM   #10
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The MVP is a joke. It is chosen by a bunch of media guys who probablly don't watch half the games (other than ones they cover). I'm not saying the fans should vote because then every year till he retired Kobe would win (lots of band wagoon fans in LA) but I think maybe the players should choose. Who better to know who is the most deserving than players that play them?

I mean look at the last several MVP's. Nash 2x, Dirk, Kobe. Only one of those is even close to the best player in the NBA. The MVP should go to the Most Valuable Player, not the best player on the best team (AKA the MVP).

Great idea (no sarcasm). Let the players vote.
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Great idea (no sarcasm). Let the players vote.
Yeah. I know. Why should we let a bunch of media guys who may have never even played choose who the MVP is. The players have a much better perspective than the media and fans do (because we are all biased lol).
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Excellent posts. The MVP award will always be rewarded to the best player of the top 3 teams in the NBA.

If your team is not winning, you don't deserve to win the award.

So why were you always arguing that Lebron deserved it the past few years?
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So why were you always arguing that Lebron deserved it the past few years?
LeBrons team has been winning the last three years. He did not deserve it in 05,06,07 is arguable,08 he should have and 09 he will unless the league wants the award to be the biggest joke in pro sports (as if it already isn't Nash x2? Dirk?)
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Default Re: MVP: Good Numbers AND Winning?

Lebron is winning it, no doubt. Cp3's stats are way better, but look at him h'es third.

Lebron's team is the 3rd or 2nd best team in the leauge, while putting up MVP stats.
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Lebron is winning it, no doubt. Cp3's stats are way better, but look at him h'es third.

Lebron's team is the 3rd or 2nd best team in the leauge, while putting up MVP stats.
Southwest is tight. Hornets could be a top team if they hit a streak.
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