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Old 02-27-2009, 05:41 PM   #1
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Default ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

Different from last thread


Consider that some teams might have different needs.

Some of these trades were down earlier this year, so the players were actually playing, and their value was different


A.

Rodney Stuckey/Jason Terry (healthy)
for
Devin Harris/Manu Ginobili (healthy)



B.
Kobe Bryant (early in the year)/Nene/Alston
for
Al Jefferson (100% healthy)/Deng/Raja Bell



C.

Joe Johnson (earlier)
for
Jamal Crawford and Marc Gasol



D.


Allen Iverson (early in season)
for
Rip Hamilton and Benelli


E:


Boozer/Hedo (Right after draft)
for
VC/Deng/Bell (right after draft)
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:41 PM   #2
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

Trade A should be vetoed. Stuckey is FA

Trade B at the time people thought Nene was fluky... sold high or so they thought and thought Deng may go back to his top 20 ways from 2 years ago. I think it was fair all around.

Trade C is just sad. Veto

trade D is also sad early in the season Iverson was supposed to be 26 ppg 7 apg 2 stls 1 three stuff on good %s.

Trade E is better for the guy getting Boozer and Hedo but at the time of draft I thought Deng and Hedo were close and that VC was prime for a big year.. I'd allow this one
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:09 AM   #3
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Different from last thread


Consider that some teams might have different needs.

Some of these trades were down earlier this year, so the players were actually playing, and their value was different


A.

Rodney Stuckey/Jason Terry (healthy)
for
Devin Harris/Manu Ginobili (healthy)



B.
Kobe Bryant (early in the year)/Nene/Alston
for
Al Jefferson (100% healthy)/Deng/Raja Bell



C.

Joe Johnson (earlier)
for
Jamal Crawford and Marc Gasol



D.


Allen Iverson (early in season)
for
Rip Hamilton and Benelli


E:


Boozer/Hedo (Right after draft)
for
VC/Deng/Bell (right after draft)

Are you gauging owners trade savy or sharkness?

1 being the most vetoable. How about I just comment instead of rank.

Considering the new players involved.

Kobe+Nene early in the season is really heavy. Nene was beasting in the first third of the season. I believe Nene was a a top 20 player at the time(many people didn't realize). Nene...top 20...BS is what they were thinking. Essentially 2 top 20 players in Nene and Kobe for Al Jeff(legit roster changer) + deng a consistent but marginal shooting foward. And Raja Bell on the suns a 3 point specialist.

This is shady at the time. Not considering how the season turned out. Al jeff is injured and Nene has fallen off his top 20 pace. Not really sure where he is now...I do know he leads the league in fg%.

Harris-Manu deal destroys Stuckey-Terry. I mentioned before this really depends on timing. Is this the week or two where Stuckey was looking unstoppable with 10 assist games back to back to back...or maybe the weeks following.

Terry has been consistent all year....all career. VERY CHEAP guard you can take from rounds 5-7 who will always play above his adp in those rounds.

Stuckey is clearly a semi-flash in the pan. Great early numbers. High fg% real high and great assists. Then he came back to earth and has been there ever since. Actually he has been straight sucking. Not living up to his own hype. Which Stuckey himself created. Truthfully Jeff Van Gundy had it right. Stuckey should be coming off the bench not Iverson. Now everybody is making a big deal about RIP talking and starting and the pistons beating Orlando. What ever.

Iverson-Rip-Prince-Mcdyess-Wallace. Playoff roster.

Back to the deal...Me...I can't come off this deal. I can see others falling for it. Manu is a perrenial fantasy STUD. Devin Harris was a clear breakout candidate and proved it early in the season and has remained consistent. Couple early season weaknesses have come and gone and come back every once in a while. Damaging fg% ala tmac. Damn did i really say that. Yes. His offensive numbers carried his rank without the effieciency of threes. Then his long ball came around...which lead to more confidence and his racking up all every guard stat you could want with impact volume shooting.

I know you say a team has different needs and you can't really hate on deals when who put the waiver "different needs"

But this deal is crap. How can you SERIOUSLY trade 2 guards 4 2 guards? When there is serious gain on the Stuckey side....Tell me where the gain is. I want to hear these guys argument.


FYI, I had Jet set on the table for my Iverson early in the season. I kept iverson believing his assists were more important to me than JET's 3's and stls. Although i really wanted to make the deal. My teams needs at assist....wouldn't let me pull the trigger. I probably should have at the time. When Jason Terry's rank was top 25 and Iverson's was outside 100. Serious rankings. I dont mess around.

Iverson for Rip/Belinelli is a decent deal. NOT SHADY. Looks shady when you consider Iverson was a top 15-20 player last season. This season not so much...like I said Iversons rank has been outside the top 100 all year. Haven't really checked lately. Can't imagine AI's ranking going up.

Boozer/Hedu 4 VC/Deng/Raja is a fair deal. right after the draft I would LOVE to be on the Boozer side. Hedu ballin...%'s are down from last season(career year). Shady? ehehehehehee. maybe...maybe not. explain more later.

VC came out of the gate better than years past.



I need to bounce going to play some bad golf. Free fees. Good excuse to drink beer in the morning drive a golf cart and win/lose money. Fill in more later.

JJ for Crawford/Gasol. Off the bat....WTF. when you think about it....Crawford(on the knicks at the time?) Could have been a poors man's JJ with MGasol to boot is a calculated gamble. But I would never make the deal to give away JJ.

Hope the comments help. What are you trying to do?
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:16 AM   #4
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Different from last thread


Consider that some teams might have different needs.

Some of these trades were down earlier this year, so the players were actually playing, and their value was different


A.

Rodney Stuckey/Jason Terry (healthy)
for
Devin Harris/Manu Ginobili (healthy)



B.
Kobe Bryant (early in the year)/Nene/Alston
for
Al Jefferson (100% healthy)/Deng/Raja Bell



C.

Joe Johnson (earlier)
for
Jamal Crawford and Marc Gasol



D.


Allen Iverson (early in season)
for
Rip Hamilton and Benelli


E:


Boozer/Hedo (Right after draft)
for
VC/Deng/Bell (right after draft)

1. Boozer/Hedo for VC/Deng/Bell
2. Joe Johnson for Crawford and Gasol
3. AI for Rip and Belinelli
4. Stuckey and Terry for Harris and Ginobli
5. Bryant/Nene/Alston for Jefferson/Deng/Bell
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:06 PM   #5
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

As I said in the last very similar thread......none should be Veto'd.

Broken record but unless there is cheating....NO VETO.

Maybe the JJ squad needed a big man bad...maybe Gasol was playing well at the time and Jamal just dropped 50.

I lose my mind reading some of these threads about veto's. People have team needs, people get caught in recent trends, some GMs are better at dealing, some get suckered....JUST LIKE THE REAL NBA.

Fantasy boils down to good drafting, good FA pickups and good trades. Nothing good comes from league mates who all have an agenda of not wanting team A or B to get better, deciding that JJ is that much better then Jamal and Gasol.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:08 PM   #6
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

Yeah, this thread is basically the same thread Glove. What's the point?
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:20 PM   #7
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

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Yeah, this thread is basically the same thread Glove. What's the point?
They are obviously different trades, so just rank them.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:25 PM   #8
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Default Re: ****Please Rank These trades 1-5 in terms of vetoableness****

A.

Rodney Stuckey/Jason Terry (healthy)
for
Devin Harris/Manu Ginobili (healthy)


Veto, Harris and Manu are both better than Stuckey and Terry; I don't conceive a need that Stuckey and Terry could satisfy that Harris and Manu don't do better.

B.
Kobe Bryant (early in the year)/Nene/Alston
for
Al Jefferson (100% healthy)/Deng/Raja Bell


Fair trade imo if someone really needed the boards/blocks, it's worth getting a monster like AJ.

C.

Joe Johnson (earlier)
for
Jamal Crawford and Marc Gasol


Depending how early in the season, I would let this go. Crawford had more value on the Knicks; he was good for a lot more 3s. Gasol was a good prospect; knew he'd be starting sooner or later and would be a decent double-double guy. Joe gives you everything but a notch lower than Lebron, particularly at the beginning of the season.

D.

Allen Iverson (early in season)
for
Rip Hamilton and Benelli


I don't see a problem with this. Earlier in the season, Detroit was playing small ball and both were getting their playing time. Even when Rip went to the bench, he was still getting his numbers and Belinelli (I'm assuming) must've been thrown in there when he was getting his starter minutes and playing great. Iverson isn't too much more than a name; he's capable of having those monster games from time to time but usually he just gets his pts, stls and decent assists. Fair on both ends to me although I wouldn't want to be the guy getting Belinelli; I mean who's worth dropping for him?

E:

Boozer/Hedo (Right after draft)
for
VC/Deng/Bell (right after draft)


Just leaves me wondering why they didn't draft who they wanted. Hedo came off of a hot season and gives you everything but the defensive stats. VC produces just about the same fantasy numbers as Hedo so that's basically a lateral movement with neither of them expecting to lose any ballshare. So it comes down to Boozer for Deng/Bell to me. I don't particularly like it but it's fair if the league's tight and the manager of the Boozer team can't find a FA then I wouldn't veto it as another manager, I'd probably make him a deal too, having identified the fish.
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