Originally Posted by Glove_20
Different from last thread
Consider that some teams might have different needs.
Some of these trades were down earlier this year, so the players were actually playing, and their value was different
Rodney Stuckey/Jason Terry (healthy)
Devin Harris/Manu Ginobili (healthy)
Kobe Bryant (early in the year)/Nene/Alston
Al Jefferson (100% healthy)/Deng/Raja Bell
Joe Johnson (earlier)
Jamal Crawford and Marc Gasol
Allen Iverson (early in season)
Rip Hamilton and Benelli
Boozer/Hedo (Right after draft)
VC/Deng/Bell (right after draft)
Are you gauging owners trade savy or sharkness?
1 being the most vetoable. How about I just comment instead of rank.
Considering the new players involved.
Kobe+Nene early in the season is really heavy. Nene was beasting in the first third of the season. I believe Nene was a a top 20 player at the time(many people didn't realize). Nene...top 20...BS is what they were thinking. Essentially 2 top 20 players in Nene and Kobe for Al Jeff(legit roster changer) + deng a consistent but marginal shooting foward. And Raja Bell on the suns a 3 point specialist.
This is shady at the time. Not considering how the season turned out. Al jeff is injured and Nene has fallen off his top 20 pace. Not really sure where he is now...I do know he leads the league in fg%.
Harris-Manu deal destroys Stuckey-Terry. I mentioned before this really depends on timing. Is this the week or two where Stuckey was looking unstoppable with 10 assist games back to back to back...or maybe the weeks following.
Terry has been consistent all year....all career. VERY CHEAP guard you can take from rounds 5-7 who will always play above his adp in those rounds.
Stuckey is clearly a semi-flash in the pan. Great early numbers. High fg% real high and great assists. Then he came back to earth and has been there ever since. Actually he has been straight sucking. Not living up to his own hype. Which Stuckey himself created. Truthfully Jeff Van Gundy had it right. Stuckey should be coming off the bench not Iverson. Now everybody is making a big deal about RIP talking and starting and the pistons beating Orlando. What ever.
Iverson-Rip-Prince-Mcdyess-Wallace. Playoff roster.
Back to the deal...Me...I can't come off this deal. I can see others falling for it. Manu is a perrenial fantasy STUD. Devin Harris was a clear breakout candidate and proved it early in the season and has remained consistent. Couple early season weaknesses have come and gone and come back every once in a while. Damaging fg% ala tmac. Damn did i really say that. Yes. His offensive numbers carried his rank without the effieciency of threes. Then his long ball came around...which lead to more confidence and his racking up all every guard stat you could want with impact volume shooting.
I know you say a team has different needs and you can't really hate on deals when who put the waiver "different needs"
But this deal is crap. How can you SERIOUSLY trade 2 guards 4 2 guards? When there is serious gain on the Stuckey side....Tell me where the gain is. I want to hear these guys argument.
FYI, I had Jet set on the table for my Iverson early in the season. I kept iverson believing his assists were more important to me than JET's 3's and stls. Although i really wanted to make the deal. My teams needs at assist....wouldn't let me pull the trigger. I probably should have at the time. When Jason Terry's rank was top 25 and Iverson's was outside 100. Serious rankings. I dont mess around.
Iverson for Rip/Belinelli is a decent deal. NOT SHADY. Looks shady when you consider Iverson was a top 15-20 player last season. This season not so much...like I said Iversons rank has been outside the top 100 all year. Haven't really checked lately. Can't imagine AI's ranking going up.
Boozer/Hedu 4 VC/Deng/Raja is a fair deal. right after the draft I would LOVE to be on the Boozer side. Hedu ballin...%'s are down from last season(career year). Shady? ehehehehehee. maybe...maybe not. explain more later.
VC came out of the gate better than years past.
I need to bounce going to play some bad golf. Free fees. Good excuse to drink beer in the morning drive a golf cart and win/lose money. Fill in more later.
JJ for Crawford/Gasol. Off the bat....WTF. when you think about it....Crawford(on the knicks at the time?) Could have been a poors man's JJ with MGasol to boot is a calculated gamble. But I would never make the deal to give away JJ.
Hope the comments help. What are you trying to do?