hmmn,
orlando, cleveland, chicago, kings, spurs. Who am I missing?
The Grizzlies. Hard to believe now that Gooden was picked 4th by them, over guys like Amare Stoudamire, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, and Carlos Boozer huh?
Because Drew was there. Anyone who had Drew before and is moaning his departure didn't watch too many games. He literally disappears during games, he might as well walk off the court. He's the type of guy that you want the coach to pull after 20 seconds because you can see he's in lost mode right at that time. Can't explain why, some guys are like that and he is one of them.
Some of it has to do with playing with Lebron. But anyone that has had Gooden knows he has game.
Either way he was consistently one of the Bulls best players when he was healthy. Can hit the jumper, has extremely underrated post game, and when he feels like it can be aggressive on the boards. He's just mentally weak against superstars, like he's afraid to try hard against them sometimes or just the impression he goes into those matchups mentally defeated. Otherwise i'd consider him a steal as a FA pickup. Easily > Joe Smith.
Some of it has to do with playing with Lebron. But anyone that has had Gooden knows he has game.
Either way he was consistently one of the Bulls best players when he was healthy. Can hit the jumper, has extremely underrated post game, and when he feels like it can be aggressive on the boards. He's just mentally weak against superstars, like he's afraid to try hard against them sometimes or just the impression he goes into those matchups mentally defeated. Otherwise i'd consider him a steal as a FA pickup. Easily > Joe Smith.
The better the team is the less he performs. He's Shariff Abrud Rahim for a new generation, concerned with stupid things like this generation (his stupid beard), relaxed, not caring about winning as much, and stat stuffing to the max. I've seen Gooden in Orlando, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. - he's a complimentary guy who is much better in the regular season than playoffs because he tends to drift for 2 out of 5 games and that drift kills you in playoff seriues, not so much regular season.
True, but they also know he's a big waste of talent. The guy could be a really good player but he's just too stupid to get it. How many defensive rotations does he miss ? How many times does he completely lose track of his man ? How many times does he end up on the wrong side when he's defending the pick&roll ? How many times does he pass up an open J to dribble right at his defender and pull up ? How many times does he disappear completely in a game ?
There's a reason he can't stay long with the same team ...
True, but they also know he's a big waste of talent. The guy could be a really good player but he's just too stupid to get it. How many defensive rotations does he miss ? How many times does he completely lose track of his man ? How many times does he end up on the wrong side when he's defending the pick&roll ? How many times does he pass up an open J to dribble right at his defender and pull up ? How many times does he disappear completely in a game ?
There's a reason he can't stay long with the same team ...
and he does it all at the same time. He'll totally get it for 10 mintues, then play 3 awful minutes that will kill the game. I'm sure the Spurs fans think they can change him because they are the Spurs, but the problem is it's not a behavioral problem, he just doesn't have that deep concentration switch in his head. You can't pressure someone into not being dumb, no offense to Drew who i'm sure is a nice guy.
I think you guys are being harsher than he deserves. I watched him since Orlando and he's always shown a better than average post game/moves since he came into the league. He's improved his jumper significantly. He was a good player for Orlando imo. My only problem with him comes from when he was with the Cav's because he was so hit and miss game to game.
I do think he's gotten better and become more a vet when he got to the Bulls. I honestly don't think any Bulls fan could have anything whatsoever negative to say about Gooden really. He played great for them. He played as a big rebounder for his size, could pretty consistently hit the midrange J, and had the best post game on the team. To me his value is a lot lower than it should be, and getting him as a FA is a steal. I just think playing with Lebron more than anything is difficult because that offense is so based around Lebron, but i guess this is the case in terms of playiing with any superstar that guns since you only get limited shots and they have to be high% without much room for error or you get criticzed hard.
I just think Cleveland made him look worse than he really is. And if you took other PF's and put them on Cleveland they'd be just as wishy washy as Gooden was, if not more.
I think you guys are being harsher than he deserves. I watched him since Orlando and he's always shown a better than average post game/moves since he came into the league. He's improved his jumper significantly. He was a good player for Orlando imo. My only problem with him comes from when he was with the Cav's because he was so hit and miss game to game.
I do think he's gotten better and become more a vet when he got to the Bulls. I honestly don't think any Bulls fan could have anything whatsoever negative to say about Gooden really. He played great for them. He played as a big rebounder for his size, could pretty consistently hit the midrange J, and had the best post game on the team. To me his value is a lot lower than it should be, and getting him as a FA is a steal. I just think playing with Lebron more than anything is difficult because that offense is so based around Lebron, but i guess this is the case in terms of playiing with any superstar that guns since you only get limited shots and they have to be high% without much room for error or you get criticzed hard.
I just think Cleveland made him look worse than he really is. And if you took other PF's and put them on Cleveland they'd be just as wishy washy as Gooden was, if not more.
That's just not true. The fact he plays better given less pressure and more to do is not a positive trait. People like to hate on Lebron but if your point is that they needed to give Drew more to do so he looks better is ridiculous, i much rather have a joe smith who will hit the open shot, and do what you need than someone who has to be spoon fed a lot to be a good role player.
Drew Gooden is like Marbury but to a much lesser degree, i have doubts on how good a role player he is because his playing time / ball in his hands needs to be at his best outweigh his contribution.
I think you guys are being harsher than he deserves. I watched him since Orlando and he's always shown a better than average post game/moves since he came into the league. He's improved his jumper significantly. He was a good player for Orlando imo. My only problem with him comes from when he was with the Cav's because he was so hit and miss game to game.
I do think he's gotten better and become more a vet when he got to the Bulls. I honestly don't think any Bulls fan could have anything whatsoever negative to say about Gooden really. He played great for them. He played as a big rebounder for his size, could pretty consistently hit the midrange J, and had the best post game on the team. To me his value is a lot lower than it should be, and getting him as a FA is a steal. I just think playing with Lebron more than anything is difficult because that offense is so based around Lebron, but i guess this is the case in terms of playiing with any superstar that guns since you only get limited shots and they have to be high% without much room for error or you get criticzed hard.
I just think Cleveland made him look worse than he really is. And if you took other PF's and put them on Cleveland they'd be just as wishy washy as Gooden was, if not more.
Playing with LeBron had nothing to do with it. His offense wasn't really the problem. Actually, Gooden led the team in buckets assisted by LeBron. It was his defense that was just horrible. And I've watched him a few times when he was on the Bulls, he didn't get any better on that end of the floor. I've seen him single-handedly let the other come back in crunch time because he screwed up on 3 straight defensive sequences. And I'm not talking about guys scoring on him or blowing by him. No, I'm talking about him getting lost in No Man's land and not knowing what to do and hurting his team.
I'll just go on record as saying i completely disagree with y'all about Gooden. 100%. Especially if you want to criticize anything he's done with the Bull's. I've watched a lot of Bulls games and he imo has easily been their best big man when he was healthy, and if anything showed that when he doesn't have to play next to a ball hog superstar and sweat each shot as much, he is capable of being a 2nd option, and sometimes even a 1st option depending on how his jumper is falling.
He's nowhere near a Marbury. Even then Gooden doesn't tend to jack up shots when he knows he's off or didn't with the Bulls. If anything i'd say he isn't selfish enough which adds to his inconsistency label. But you could probably say that about a lot of players people question, like Mike Miller. Dude can still play, only if he were more selfish everyone would realize his game hasn't declined more than him playing passive.
Meh. We'll see...he's a steal right now imo. Easily better than Joe Smith. Its kind of laughable to me how many teams are going after Joe Smith when he's had a horrible year so far, and can't hit his jumper this year like he has in years past. I don't think teams do their homework as much as they should tho
I'll just go on record as saying i completely disagree with y'all about Gooden. 100%. Especially if you want to criticize anything he's done with the Bull's. I've watched a lot of Bulls games and he imo has easily been their best big man when he was healthy, and if anything showed that when he doesn't have to play next to a ball hog superstar and sweat each shot as much, he is capable of being a 2nd option, and sometimes even a 1st option depending on how his jumper is falling.
He's nowhere near a Marbury. Even then Gooden doesn't tend to jack up shots when he knows he's off or didn't with the Bulls. If anything i'd say he isn't selfish enough which adds to his inconsistency label. But you could probably say that about a lot of players people question, like Mike Miller. Dude can still play, only if he were more selfish everyone would realize his game hasn't declined more than him playing passive.
Meh. We'll see...he's a steal right now imo. Easily better than Joe Smith. Its kind of laughable to me how many teams are going after Joe Smith when he's had a horrible year so far, and can't hit his jumper this year like he has in years past. I don't think teams do their homework as much as they should tho
if i'm on the opposing team i'm happy to see Gooden in their against me at crunch time. i've seen him literally stand flatfooted and stare at his teammates while players are running by him as he waits on what he should do. He's an awful defender at times, adn the larger the moment, the more trouble he has. And he's going to SA to help against the Lakers? haha...
Re: Kings waive Drew Gooden
