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Old 10-02-2006, 12:41 AM   #46
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I mean, where would Houston be without Reggie Bush's 10 carries for 23 yards and 2.3 ypc average? I dont know how they exist.

Houston messed up passing up Vince Young, who already has 2 TDs in the NFL, but Reggie Bush and his averaged 3.7 ypc so far in his 1st 3 games, 2.3 today.

Not exactly putting up pro bowl numbers out there in New Orleans.

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Old 10-02-2006, 10:27 AM   #47
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Reggie Bush will become more productive when the Saints get more talent up front and the WR position.

Deangelo Williams didn't start producing until Steve Smith came back as the Panthers running game was terrible the first 2 games. I also think the Saints need to give him more realistic runs and not just toss sweeps everytime. If the Saints and their coaching staff can stop from being so scared and allowed him to play he would get 100+ AP years per game. He needs to return kicks and punts.
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Old 10-02-2006, 10:31 AM   #48
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Also LT only averaged 3.6 YPC in his first year and had a career high 8 fumbles. Heck LT hasn't torn it up this year as he is only averaging 3.6 YPC.
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:09 PM   #49
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Why has no one mentioned the fact that Mario Williams is playing all positions along the line? Why no mention that in his first game he forced the Philly Eagles to scrap about 10 of their base running plays because his combination of size, quickness, and speed would allow him to get to the ball carrier totally unblocked.

Williams is a special talent. He's just as special a D-Linemen as Bush is a RB. Difference is that RB is a lot easier to make the NCAA to NFL transition. Especially when said Lineman is learning all the line positions at once.
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:22 PM   #50
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Why has no one mentioned the fact that Mario Williams is playing all positions along the line? Why no mention that in his first game he forced the Philly Eagles to scrap about 10 of their base running plays because his combination of size, quickness, and speed would allow him to get to the ball carrier totally unblocked.

Williams is a special talent. He's just as special a D-Linemen as Bush is a RB. Difference is that RB is a lot easier to make the NCAA to NFL transition. Especially when said Lineman is learning all the line positions at once.

Why is he being taught all the positions on the line? Only a few guys like Reggie White who can play all positions on the DL with success. Mario is now in that mold and being shaped to be similar to that? Or is he lost as a pass rushing DE?

Kearse, Peppers, Freeney, Rice to name a few didnt have do learn the entire DL. Either Mario is Super or he is lost.

Darren Howard can play DT and DE. Darwin Howard can play DT & DE. Eh.

I dont think no one is mentioning what you did because everyone expected pressure off the edge. I mean it was sold to the public Mario was a primere pass rusher and you dont pass those up. So we are expecting the rush off the edge, not someone to be studying various positions for some odd reason.

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Old 10-02-2006, 03:57 PM   #51
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Why is he being taught all the positions on the line? Only a few guys like Reggie White who can play all positions on the DL with success. Mario is now in that mold and being shaped to be similar to that? Or is he lost as a pass rushing DE?

Kearse, Peppers, Freeney, Rice to name a few didnt have do learn the entire DL. Either Mario is Super or he is lost.

Darren Howard can play DT and DE. Darwin Howard can play DT & DE. Eh.

I dont think no one is mentioning what you did because everyone expected pressure off the edge. I mean it was sold to the public Mario was a primere pass rusher and you dont pass those up. So we are expecting the rush off the edge, not someone to be studying various positions for some odd reason.

The Texans coaching staff is teaching him all the positions because they want to be able to move him up and down the line. The thinking is that the more they have to make the other team focus on Williams the more plays others can make.

People are so wrapped up in being impressed by Bush's open field running that they are over-looking how big an athletic freak Williams is. He is 6'7" 300 lbs with a size, speed, quickness, and strength combination that allows him to make (potentially) plays that no other defensive end can make. Think about that for a second...

In that Eagles game the Birds twice ran running plays/concepts in which the ball goes away from Williams side. The concept has the away side Offensive Tackle give a scrape block on the DE (Mario) and move to the next level of defenders. These concepts are part of Philly's base runs.

The play is designed that way because the ball is going far enough away from the DE that normally a scrape block slows him enough that he can't make the play.

Williams got to Westbrook and slowed him enough for others to make the play and stop him for just a minimal gain both times. Philly never ran those types play again with Williams in the game.

He single handly removed a chunk of Philly's base runs because he could make a play that no other DE could make. That's not common and Defensive Coordinators would love to have guys like that.

Once Houston figures out what they want to do with him and he tones down the aggressiveness he's going to be an impact player.
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:03 PM   #52
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Deangelo Williams didn't start producing until Steve Smith came back as the Panthers running game was terrible the first 2 games.

DeAngelo Williams had 72 rushing yards on 19 carries with 1 TD against Minnesota, Steve Smith did not play that game...he was Carolina's only source of offense and Carolina's OL is a complete mess....Williams basically didn't play against TB or Atlanta.
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The Texans coaching staff is teaching him all the positions because they want to be able to move him up and down the line. The thinking is that the more they have to make the other team focus on Williams the more plays others can make.

Once Houston figures out what they want to do with him and he tones down the aggressiveness he's going to be an impact player.

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Old 10-02-2006, 04:37 PM   #54
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Texans should have drafted bush, Mario is a bust

I just dont see all the hype over Bush so far. He hasnt produced anything close to the All World, Gale Sayers like #s he was supposed to.

23 catches, 187 yards, 8.1 ypc, 0 TDs
45 carries, 147 yards, 3.3 ypr, 0 TDs
9 punt returns for 57 yards, 6.3 ypr, 0 TDs
0 kick returns for 0 yards, 0.0 ypr, 0 TDs

What is so spectacular about any of that? I never said he isnt talented but to act like he walks on water just blew my mind from day 1. He isnt scoring, he isnt leading his team in anything (2nd in rushing, 3rd in receiving, 2nd in PRs, not returning kicks), basically he is just a contributor to his team. Not like he is out there dominating the competition like the hype that came with the name Reggie Bush would indicate he would be doing.

geeWiz, you can sit there and compare him to NBA players but to compare him to people like Chris Paul and LeBron James is a joke. Those players were flat out producing a 1/4 of the way into their rookie seasons, which is where the Saints are in their NFL schedule.

Once he starts doing something in the NFL you can start dumping on Mario Williams. Until then, IMO, neither of them are exactly living up to the hype of being the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft.
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:47 PM   #55
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Miles, the infatuation with Bush has nothing to do with his numbers. Its about how he gets those numbers. He's the only player RB in football you can argue is more dangerous in space than Ladainian Tomlinson.

People want and need to be entertained and Bush brings entertainment every game and potentially every play. In football how you get the numbers is at times just as important as the numbers.

That's why people are high on Reggie and think Mario stinks.
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:18 PM   #56
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Miles, the infatuation with Bush has nothing to do with his numbers. Its about how he gets those numbers. He's the only player RB in football you can argue is more dangerous in space than Ladainian Tomlinson.

People want and need to be entertained and Bush brings entertainment every game and potentially every play. In football how you get the numbers is at times just as important as the numbers.

That's why people are high on Reggie and think Mario stinks.
that doesnt have a damn thing to do with who is a better player though. Im not a big williams fan because i personally think he wasnt the best player on his own defense in college(im a big Manny Lawson fan). That said, the reggie Bush hype is just hilarious. This is something you triple threat people need to get through your head, Hes an average at best return guy. His all purpose yards were padded at USC because the trojans let him return kickoffs despite the fact that he sucked at it(17 ypr on kickoffs in college is a disgrace) and 10 yards per punt return isnt that special either. For all the talk about him being a rushing, receiving return threat, you would think he was the worlds greatest return guy, not an average one. He has had solid enough receiving numbers but he hasnt done crap this year.

The offensive line argument doesnt hold much water because deuce has been better than him on his own team and last time i checked they have the same olines. Im not trying to defend the mario pick because i think they should have drafted vince or traded the pick but the bush love is just sad. And whoever said he could be the best ever needs to wake up. Adrian peterson is at least twice the prospect bush is.
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that doesnt have a damn thing to do with who is a better player though...
I never said it did. I was simply explaining the "Bush love" as you called it.
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I never said it did. I was simply explaining the "Bush love" as you called it.
and im simply pointing out that though i agree with you that that is a major reason for the "bush Love" its a stupid reason for it.
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