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Old 04-07-2009, 05:21 PM   #31
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You have a point, but being in a fight for a playoff spot is not where I want to be.

You're right though, we need perimeter defense AND a creative scorer on the wing. That's hard to find.

I guess my personal bias against Gordon is taking over my thoughts, but I still don't like the idea of an undersized and poor defender being paired with Calderon in the back court. The idea of it makes me cringe.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #32
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You have a point, but being in a fight for a playoff spot is not where I want to be.

You're right though, we need perimeter defense AND a creative scorer on the wing. That's hard to find.

I guess my personal bias against Gordon is taking over my thoughts, but I still don't like the idea of an undersized and poor defender being paired with Calderon in the back court. The idea of it makes me cringe.

That's a totally understandable concern as Gordon is by-no-means a fix for all our ills at the 2/3 spots so hopefully if we do get him some defense at those positions is acquired somehow as well, but as you said it's going to be tough with a shrinking cap.

Sorry if I came off as calling you a retard, I have a propensity for sarcasm that can come off as d***ish at times
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:39 PM   #33
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You're right though, we need perimeter defense AND a creative scorer on the wing. That's hard to find.

Caron Butler anyone?

Hopefully we can swing a deal for him or Jefferson. It would cure a lot of problems.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:46 PM   #34
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When Parker scores around 20 points in a game we usually win. Given that, I'd say that if we had Gordon this year instead of him we'd probably at least be in the playoff race if not in the playoffs.

It seems that way but I crunched the numbers and he's only averaging 12.4 ppg in wins this season. Still 1.7 ppg more than his season average but not a huge deal.
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It seems that way but I crunched the numbers and he's only averaging 12.4 ppg in wins this season. Still 1.7 ppg more than his season average but not a huge deal.

What I was leaning more towards would be a stat of our wins when he scores 20+. I'm thinking its well above .500, but I guess you could crunch that too.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:50 PM   #36
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What I was leaning more towards would be a stat of our wins when he scores 20+. I'm thinking its well above .500, but I guess you could crunch that too.

In that case we are 5-1 when he scores 20+.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:52 PM   #37
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Caron Butler would be perfect, but we'll need to go to sleep to see him on the team.

Just throwing this out there for discussion:

Chris Bosh
Jason Kapono
2009 1st Round Pick (9th)
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for

Caron Butler
Etan Thomas
2009 1st Round Pick (if it's not #1)

Sign Ben Gordon and Rasho, bring back Delfino.

Jose Calderon / Roko Ukic / Marcus Banks
Ben Gordon / Carlos Delfino / Quincy Douby
Caron Butler / Joey Graham
Andrea Bargnani / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / Kris Humphries
Rasho Nestorovic / Etan Thomas / Nathan Jawai

And depending on who we draft (2nd or 3rd pick most likely) we can release either Douby or Jawai.

Off topic, but I'm bored as sh!t.

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Old 04-07-2009, 05:59 PM   #38
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Caron Butler would be perfect, but we'll need to go to sleep to see him on the team.

Just throwing this out there for discussion:

Chris Bosh
Jason Kapono
2009 1st Round Pick (9th)
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Caron Butler
Etan Thomas
2009 1st Round Pick (if it's not #1)

Sign Ben Gordon and Rasho, bring back Delfino.

Jose Calderon / Roko Ukic / Marcus Banks
Ben Gordon / Carlos Delfino / Quincy Douby
Caron Butler / Joey Graham
Andrea Bargnani / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / Kris Humphries
Rasho Nestorovic / Etan Thomas / Nathan Jawai

And depending on who we draft (2nd or 3rd pick most likely) we can release either Douby or Jawai.

Off topic, but I'm bored as sh!t.

If we use the unused MLE that we'd still have their to add a little more depth I would be down for giving that lineup a run.

Hey at least in that scenario we know that Bosh isn't going to go and win a championship and make us all feel jealous
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:03 PM   #39
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If we use the unused MLE that we'd still have their to add a little more depth I would be down for giving that lineup a run.

Hey at least in that scenario we know that Bosh isn't going to go and win a championship and make us all feel jealous

Hahaha.. but I think this trade also helped Washington too.

The could sport a starting lineup of:

Arenas
Young
Jamison
Bosh
Haywood

and they still have a top 10 pick to add to their depth. If they get the number 1 overall pick I think they have to take Griffin, but if not I think they'd consider this trade.

I posted it in in the Wizards forum, but it doesn't seem like that forum is very active. We'll see what they think of it.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:30 PM   #40
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Jose Calderon / Roko Ukic
Ben Gordon / Carlos Delfino
Caron Butler / Joey Graham
Andrea Bargnani / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / Kris Humphries
Hasheem Thabeet / Rasho Nestorovic / Etan Thomas

I like it. We can maybe draft Thabeet with that pick and fill the void at the starting centre position. That guy will be a defensive monster. Camby-esque.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:34 PM   #41
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I like it. We can maybe draft Thabeet with that pick and fill the void at the starting centre position. That guy will be a defensive monster. Camby-esque.

I was thinking Thabeet or Harden.

I think both would come off the bench though, at least for the first little while.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:42 PM   #42
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I was thinking Thabeet or Harden.

I think both would come off the bench though, at least for the first little while.

I think I would go with Thabeet over Harden. Just because big men like that don't come around often and after the NCAA tournament I'm not sure what to make of Harden. Jordan Hill needs to be considered as well. Lot's of scouts believe he has 20/10 potential.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:52 PM   #43
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I think I would go with Thabeet over Harden. Just because big men like that don't come around often and after the NCAA tournament I'm not sure what to make of Harden. Jordan Hill needs to be considered as well. Lot's of scouts believe he has 20/10 potential.

7'3 offensively raw college players usually don't develop a good NBA game, but for some reason I'm thinking Thabeet will be different. Hopefully he will, anyway.
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7'3 offensively raw college players usually don't develop a good NBA game, but for some reason I'm thinking Thabeet will be different. Hopefully he will, anyway.

I've watched a lot of UConn games and it really feels like they didn't utilize him properly. He would beg for the ball on the offensive end play after play and never get it. The times he did get it he would just abuse the defender. AJ Price could have done a better job letting the offense go through Thabeet instead of him jacking 3 pointers all game. They should have won the tournament with a player like Thabeet on the roster for sure if he was used properly.

In the NBA however I think he we be a very imposing defensive presence throughout his career. Just by watching him play it just feels like he plays intelligently and will put everything together unlike other projects.
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Yeah, the thing about Thabeet is that even though he is so huge and lanky, he seems to be coordinated. His post moves are decent but thats against smaller and weaker players, but at least it shows a bit of potential.
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