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Old 04-15-2009, 05:28 PM   #1
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Default John Hollinger's All-Defensive Team

This is a laughable list. I'll show you what he said before he listed his teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...PERDiem-090415
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We're at the close of another NBA season, and I've already made most of my award picks in the round of ESPN.com voting that we had earlier this week.

But that still leaves one order of business to deal with: the All-Defense team.

In the past few years, I have found my votes to be very different from the coaches' in a few cases. I think there are two reasons for that: (1) The coaches' voting tends to be more focused on high-profile stars, and (2) there seems to be a significant lag time between accomplishment and recognition -- for one obvious example, Boston's Rajon Rondo wasn't an All-Defense pick either of the past two years but made my team both times. I expect he'll finally crack the list of coaches' choices this season.


I've used personal observation to inform most of these picks -- I've seen every team play between eight and 12 times start to finish on the tube and have caught nearly all of them in person as well.

Aiding me, however, are a few statistical barometers. First is team success -- it only follows that the best defensive players should largely come from the best defensive teams. The East's power trio of Cleveland, Boston and Orlando is neck and neck for the league lead in defensive efficiency, and each club is well-represented here.

Secondary helpers are two categories -- defensive on-court versus off-court differential (tip of the hat to 82games.com) and defensive adjusted plus-minus (thanks to basketballvalue.com). Both are good indicators over long periods of time, but both can be "noisy" in the short term -- stat-speak for a number that can deviate widely from its true value. As in, a player who might normally be worth +2.0 points per 48 minutes might show up as +6.0 one season and -2.0 the next.

Thus, we need my subjective element as well.

With that out of the way, let's get to the picks -- I've included each player's defensive adjusted plus-minus in parentheses. As usual, we'll start in the backcourt and work our way up:
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:31 PM   #2
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he should stick to stats only.
Varejao over Duncan is just the most asinine of many horrendous selections.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:32 PM   #3
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Do I agree with every pick on the list? No.

Are they that far off? No.

edit: Didn't even see Sideshow Andy over Duncan...What the hell was Hollinger thinking? Andy is an energy guy...not some lockdown post defender.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:32 PM   #4
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jason kidd huh?
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:32 PM   #5
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he should stick to stats only.
Varejao over Duncan is just the most asinine of many horrendous selections.
He should stick to blogging, his stats also annoy me as well as stats in general.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:33 PM   #6
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Hollinger is a king of unintentional comedy.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:33 PM   #7
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He should stick to blogging, his stats also annoy me as well as stats in general.
Hollinger > you
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:34 PM   #8
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For what it's worth, I thought the PG picks were pretty good. Nice to see Alston get some credit for his defense.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:35 PM   #9
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And what the hell is up with Paul behind Rondo?

Paul is destroying Rondo is the one category Hollinger can put a stat to, but still he lists him behind him...
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:38 PM   #10
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And what the hell is up with Paul behind Rondo?

Paul is destroying Rondo is the one category Hollinger can put a stat to, but still he lists him behind him...
Because he's one of the biggest hypocrites in the universe.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:39 PM   #11
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John Hollinger, a man who follows basketball for a career and has watched every team multiple times, including several times in person.

All of you, InsideHoops posters who probably use pre-existing biases and reputation to determine who they think are good defenders.

Hmmm... who to listen to.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:42 PM   #12
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John Hollinger, a man who follows basketball BOXSCORES for a career and has watched every BOXSCORE multiple times, including several times in person.
Fixed, Just saying.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:42 PM   #13
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John Hollinger, a man who follows basketball for a career and has watched every team multiple times, including several times in person.

All of you, InsideHoops posters who probably use pre-existing biases and reputation to determine who they think are good defenders.

Hmmm... who to listen to.

Hey, we're not saying that we're any better... but come on, everyone hates Hollinger.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:42 PM   #14
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John Hollinger, a man who follows basketball for a career and has watched every team multiple times, including several times in person.

All of you, InsideHoops posters who probably use pre-existing biases and reputation to determine who they think are good defenders.

Hmmm... who to listen to.


I have watched Anderson Varejao more times than Hollinger guaranteed, and as a fan of Andy's I will tell you he is no where near the defender of Tim Duncan.

But by all means, believe Hollinger.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:42 PM   #15
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wow. andy over tim
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