Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > NBA Team Forums > Houston Rockets Forum

Houston Rockets Forum Houston Rockets message board - rockets fan forum

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-16-2009, 07:50 PM   #16
Heilige
An Icon Forever
 
Heilige's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: location,location
Posts: 3,395
Heilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation hereHeilige has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Official #5 Houston Rockets v #4 Portland TrailBlazers 1st Round Playoff Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biddy77
first off, links to the 3 meetings this year--starting with the MOST recent, and ending with the first meeting:

April 5th
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...d=200 9040510

Feb 24th
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...d=200 9022410

Nov 6th
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...d=200 8110622


consistent producers have been:
(Houston) 1. scola, 2. yao, 3. artest, 4. brooks... basically in that order. even before the backcourt change, scola was able to come in and score efficiently. his rebounding numbers have been all over the map, but he has gone 7-10, 5-9, 8-10 for 14, 15, and 16 points (increasing scoring by 1 each consecutive meeting).

(Portland) 1. LMA, 2. Roy, 3. Outlaw, 4... there hasn't been a consistent number 4 in the series for Portland. LMA has 27, 21, and 22 points in the 3 games, for a 23.3/game avg, but he has looked to score about 66 times in order to get those 70 points. rebounds have come steadily for him, with 9, 8, and 9 in the 3 meetings. he's also been a shot blocking machine, with 3, 2, and 3 in the meetings. more on that in a bit.

reliably unreliable...:

the shooting of everybody not named Scola or Outlaw. those two have basically been steady, but everyone else has shot pretty poorly for most of the series.

"Coach, PUT ME IN! I CAN HELP!:

the consistently solid +/- guys for each team during the series... drumroll, please...

none. in a freakish twist, guys have basically been all over the map, including Roy and Yao. generally, you would see some sort of a pattern emerge over the course of a series, but no one in this series has been able to really lay claim to being the Rocket/Blazer killer, including LMA, Scola, or Outlaw, who have all managed to put up some form of consistent statistical production otherwise. even the defensive guys have been all over the map, with Batum, Artest, and Battier each having some time to shine with their defensive impact showing up in that column.

"IVAN MAKE BASKET!"--the guys who seem to be doing everything BUT helping their team win...

the consistently *bad* +/- guys...

Aaron Brooks and Sergio Rodriguez have taken turns bleeding their teams out, or at least slowing their momentum. these guys haven't stood out to such a level that they fly off the +/- column and punch you in the face, but they're generally not going to be in a telescope's view of the top of the +/- column. luckily for Portland, Sergio barely racked up minutes in the series.


Mo' Money, Mo' Problems... The Stars:

Roy and Yao each have it very tough in this series.

Yao is forced to contend with 4 very different players guarding him, gets crowded constantly, is fronted a lot, and is generally having to keep his head up to watch out for LaMarcus Aldridge coming over from the weak side. he has rotated *very* well in this series, and has been extremely disruptive. at the same time, it means he's breaking off Scola to make his help rotations, and Scola is a smart motherf**ker... he gets right to the rim when LMA breaks off, and has reaped the rewards.

a notable defensive twist unique to covering Yao... portland frequently fronts him with our C, then brings another big down to cover his back immediately. he spends a lot of time with the fronting defender directly in heavy physical contact, and the bottom side defender in light contact at arm's length--usually to try to remain light on their feet so they can step over to Scola quickly. that has worked very well for much of the series, but... Yao is 7footf**king6, and he has a hook shot. that's generally a recipe for pulling your hair and and screaming if you're an opposing defender.

on the other end, Roy is facing two damn good defenders, and a strong defensive game plan. Houston has gone so far as to keep him guessing by alternating covers on him between Battier and Artest, which has made it a little tricky for us to set up the right sets from the sideline. instead of going with a script of sorts, or being able to set a guy up to get burned, we're having to just try to make things work the old fashioned way. that's not always a fun thing. Houston's help on Roy has been strong. sure, he still gets in the lane--he gets in the lane against EVERYONE, after all--but Houston has done a great job of making him dribble a little too deep before he jumps to the rim, which usually means Yao has had time to interpose himself between Roy and the basket. as a result, Roy is taking very tough shots. he can obviously make them, but he's not getting the finishes he wants, and it shows.

one notable thing about how houston covers Roy differently from other teams (aside from alternating which defender is on him by possessions)... Houston is a bit more aggressive doubling Roy on the *side of the court* than other teams, which has worked out well for them. the usual book against Roy is to meet him with aggressive doubles at the foul line, and to put a hard bump into him there and make him use a secondary move, or alter his path to the basket. generally Portland counters by shifting Roy to the side (for either isos, or side high-screen and rolls, with Roy frequently taking the screen baseline-side), or by 'posting' roy between 8 and 15 feet on one side, and sending everyone else to the weak side. after 1-2 dribbles, the double usually runs in, and we get an easy '3' off the kick and swing pass. against Houston, that hasn't been quite as effective for us. Battier and Artest are contesting the pass very well so that when Roy throws the ball out of the double, it's usually going to the man at the top of the key (as opposed to the opposite 45, etc), and Houston is closing out as the ball arrives in the weak side corner. as a result, Portland has shot .333, .333, and .375 from 3 against Houston, instead of a number closer to their 38% season average. while that may not sound like a significant margin, consider that two of the games were decided by 4 or fewer points.

The Oden Impact (Personal Fouls):

the games have been pretty closely officiated, with Portland racking up a few more fouls over the series.

particular guys who have had foul trouble?

Houston's PFs have committed quite a few as a collective, and unsurprisingly, Roy has drawn a few off his defenders. RonRon has had 3 and 4 in the last two meetings.

on Portland's end, Joel has had some trouble with Yao--no surprise there, and LMA, Roy, and Batum have each been in foul trouble during games. no surprise there, either.. those are our best guys at defensive rotations and help D.


Other Notable...

Oden has only played in one game against Houston this year. 4 points, 4 personal fouls, 1 block, 1 steal... 0 rebounds. i can also tell you right off the top of my head that he snarfed TWO dunks in that one game.


Conclusion:

All we can really count on are Scola and Outlaw scoring OK, and Yao and Roy facing very intense defenses... and probably shooting poorly.

beyond that, this is a series full of inconsistency, and I'm having a very hard time finding much that lets me feel comfortable making an educated prediction as to the series outcome.


so... my prediction is going to come down to my gut instinct, aided by actually letting my inner homer come out, and lending a lot of faith to HCA...

Blazers in 7.



This. Nice insight!
Heilige is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 08:10 PM   #17
iLoveNBA
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Yao and Roy are the superstars on their teams and they are both going to have a tough time in the series.

Roy is going to be seeing Battier and Artest, the toughest and best perimeter defenders in the league.

Yao is going to be seeing Przybilla, who is not only a flopper but he's really tough and strong.

Yao is going to have an easier time since Oden is going to be playing too, but I expect the Blazers to front him a lot and Yao is almost half of the time useless offensively if you front him.

Should be a good one, I think if the Rockets can win a game in the Rose Garden in Game 1 or Game 2, then I will not like our chances but I will love our chances.
 
Old 04-16-2009, 08:32 PM   #18
Timmy D for MVP
Chuck Hayes Stan
 
Timmy D for MVP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: California
Posts: 7,664
Timmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableTimmy D for MVP is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Rockets like the three line.

I think that'll be the key to the series, who wins that battle.

Rockets in 7.

More boldly Chuck Hayes will go 20 and 20 in one of the games.
Timmy D for MVP is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 08:52 PM   #19
ElPigto
*****istrator
 
ElPigto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,310
ElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Oh goodness, not a freakin NBA TV game. *Sigh I guess I'll be heading to the bar.
ElPigto is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 08:54 PM   #20
iLoveNBA
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElPigto
Oh goodness, not a freakin NBA TV game. *Sigh I guess I'll be heading to the bar.
Yeah, I hate NBATv games, luckily I got NBATv. But anways, what are your analysis for this series? You are a good poster, so I was just wondering about your thoughts.
 
Old 04-16-2009, 08:57 PM   #21
Myth
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
 
Myth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orange County
Posts: 22,613
Myth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElPigto
Oh goodness, not a freakin NBA TV game. *Sigh I guess I'll be heading to the bar.

Houston isn't getting the game? Or are you not in the Houston area? I won't have any issues here in Portland.
Myth is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 08:58 PM   #22
ElPigto
*****istrator
 
ElPigto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,310
ElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by iLoveNBA
Yeah, I hate NBATv games, luckily I got NBATv. But anways, what are your analysis for this series? You are a good poster, so I was just wondering about your thoughts.

I'll post some later. It's been an exhausting week and I need to gather my thoughts and see what I really feel about this series.
ElPigto is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:03 PM   #23
ElPigto
*****istrator
 
ElPigto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,310
ElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
Houston isn't getting the game? Or are you not in the Houston area? I won't have any issues here in Portland.

I'm away from home for the time being due to college.
ElPigto is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:09 PM   #24
Myth
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
 
Myth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orange County
Posts: 22,613
Myth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElPigto
I'm away from home for the time being due to college.

That sucks. What state are you in currently?
Myth is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:11 PM   #25
ElPigto
*****istrator
 
ElPigto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,310
ElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterElPigto is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
That sucks. What state are you in currently?

I'm still in Texas. I live in Austin. Unfortunately this city only likes the Spurs and the Mavericks (mostly Spurs). They only show Spurs and Mavs games no Rockets.
ElPigto is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:12 PM   #26
Maniak
... :\
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 26,261
Maniak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableManiak is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Blazers in 7 for this series. It will go right down to the wire, cant wait to see how Roy does.
Maniak is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:15 PM   #27
Myth
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
 
Myth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Orange County
Posts: 22,613
Myth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableMyth is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElPigto
I'm still in Texas. I live in Austin. Unfortunately this city only likes the Spurs and the Mavericks (mostly Spurs). They only show Spurs and Mavs games no Rockets.

Lame. Sorry to hear that.
Myth is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 09:22 PM   #28
nba_55
Searching a new team
 
nba_55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,472
nba_55 is considered somewhat coolnba_55 is considered somewhat cool
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

Rockets will win one of the first two games in Portland.
Will win both at home. Will lose the fifth game and finaly finish it on the 6th game.


If the series go to 7 games, I dont like our chances.
nba_55 is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 10:38 PM   #29
TMAC-RAPTORS
Sharpshooter
 
TMAC-RAPTORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,555
TMAC-RAPTORS is considered somewhat coolTMAC-RAPTORS is considered somewhat cool
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

I don't think I can handle another first round exit
TMAC-RAPTORS is offline  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:03 PM   #30
iggy>
happy tanksgiving
 
iggy>'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: North Philly
Posts: 3,989
iggy> has decent reputation
Default Re: 2009 Playoffs Round 1: #4 Trail Blazers vs #5 Rockets

blazers in 7, homecourt means everything in this series.
iggy> is offline  
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Closed Thread


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:15 AM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site













Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy