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Old 06-02-2012, 11:57 PM   #2266
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damn I agree w/Zen I haven't started Catching Fire yet but after reading Scholar's post it makes me wanna start it
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:52 AM   #2267
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:40 AM   #2268
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pauk, the reason why most of the readers are passionate about reading is because they take an ACTIVE interest in it.

Meaning they
a) formulate images in their head
b) chuckle at the wit or lack thereof
c) draw parallels to certain happenings in real life
d) verify or refute any of the authors claims
e) wonder if they'd marry, f*ck, kill any of the characters
f) anticipate whats gonna happen, find a way all the pieces of the puzzle fittogether
g) cheer or root against
h) visualize the environment/setting
i) and so on and so forth.

It's fun as f*ck to figure this sh!t by yourself. You think engineers and writers and all members of academia . No, there's art and beauty in even something seemingly mundane and if you've got the brainpower and creativity you can literally MAKE it fun. Storytelling is literally DE FRICKIN STAPLE and ORIGINAL MODUS OPERANDI of our knowledge brah. But then again you're European and your media likes to profess how dumb and fat we are and how sophisticated and intelligent you chaps are since your history is just a wee bit less americocentric and you speak a different way. AS IF. WHATEVER. As a well travelled dude I know for a fact the best of America's ISH can reign hell upon the soft Euro conglomerates (tho Jasi may pose a threat)
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:11 PM   #2269
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That's the thing, if you don't like reading, don't fucking post in this thread. Reading isn't about going through a story to say, "Yay! I finished it!" Some stories actually have deep meaning rooted in them that require a comprehending mind to unveil and dissect. Some novels can even enlighten a mind and cause change of lifestyles, ya dig? Of course, you don't. All you care about is trolling.
I bet you're the same douche bag who sits in an English course wondering why Lord of the Flies has a talking pig head named Beelzebub in it instead of actually trying to understand the meaning behind it, right?

Your time is clearly better devoted on attacking anyone and everyone who isn't as big of a LeBron dick rider as you.


Anyway, my wifey wanted to read "Mockingjay," so I bought this today at Barnes & Noble:



I've been reading it during my free time at work.
Epic so far.
solid book. main character creeped me out. doesnt care about anything lol
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:27 PM   #2270
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Get on it, ZeN. I won't tell you what happens in it, but pretty much every chapter will make you almost unable to put the book down just so you can find out what's going to happen next.

The book has so much detail that I'm thinking whenever the next movie is released based off of Catching Fire, it'll be tame because they'll have to make the movie 3+ hours long just to capture every detail.

I thought the books got progressively worse. I really liked the first, the second one was good, but not as good. The third one was pretty boring.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #2271
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edit: just realized there are some light spoilers in here if anybody hasn't read this but might want to


well i finally finished this super short one. i started it, then forgot about it throughout a lengthy Storm of Swords intermission, and just picked it back up this morning.

nowhere near the level or depth or thematic consistency of I Married a Communist. still good, particularly the stream of consciousness style detailing the main character's thoughts that bookended the bulk of the actual plot.

the plot itself... eh. raunchy, overtly sexual, but overall pretty thin. further proof that roth lacks a firm grasp of femininity. or at the very least, the way he writes female characters is rather short-sighted, somewhat of a caricature. in this one the leading woman is a flip flopping lesbian. i guess the novel doesn't go too far into the nature of her thoughts so you can't fairly criticize roth for painting her thin, but at the same time, it might reflect his inability to yield any depth out of her character.

lots of interesting meditation again though. i made a thread earlier about one from this book on suicide that was probably the single best portion of the book. and using an actor whose lost his mojo, or in other words who can no longer perform naturally, as a device to illustrate the way we all often feel about ourselves when we're forced to act in an uncomfortable role or setting... that was well done. as was the coming full circle near the end of the book as the main character carries out his climactic finale in fitting fashion.

this is only my second novel by him but already i can see that, in spite of this one clearly qualifying as only a second class roth novel, it still lets him do what he does best and made for a short solid read

next i think i'm gonna try to find that crazy sexual deviance novel about the jew that he did way back when, pretty sure it was very controversial at the time and having read the back cover at a book store, i can immediately see why
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:08 PM   #2272
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solid book. main character creeped me out. doesnt care about anything lol

Meursault is an existentialist. He thinks life has no meaning; thus, he lives it without meaning, without purpose, only entertaining himself through physical means and not giving a shit about the emotional aspects.

Somewhat spoilers in white text:

When asked for his hand in marriage by his "fuck-buddy," Meursault says he doesn't mind either way. Any time she says, "I love you" to him, Meursault explains to her that he doesn't mind either way. When his mother dies, Meursault doesn't even bother seeing her one last time.

Anytime Meursault and his girlfriend spend time together, all he thinks about is banging her. He doesn't care about her thoughts, her characteristics, etc. He just cares about her "plump breasts" and how she "wraps her legs around my waist." (Might not be exact quotes, but pretty similar)

When Meursault murders the Arabian, he blames the sun's brightness and the day's heat on the action. He just worries about the physical world, nothing more. When he's at his mother's funeral, he falls asleep; while carrying the coffin to the burial site, all he does is think about himself, how sore he is, how sweaty, how tired, etc. Hell, the day after the funeral, he's on the beach with his chick, watches a comedy film, takes the chick home and bangs her. I mention all this to say that it's not that he's creepy; he just doesn't think human life has much meaning. Or any life for that matter. Don't even get me started on how low and degraded his thoughts are for his neighbor's old, scabby dog.

This novel blew my mind because it made me wonder about society in general. I'm sure everyone already figures that if you go against the norm, you're considered a L'Etranger, just like Meursault. That's the problem tackled in this novel. Instead of Meursault being truly tried for the murder of the Arabian on the beach, he is basically tried for being emotionally detached. That's where my mind = blown.


I read the novel in one day. I suggest that if you haven't read it, do it now. It's an entertaining book. It's only about 120-130 pages, and I honestly believe this is one of those rare books that could've been made better by adding more pages, but then again, it's fast-paced. All you know is what the narrator thinks, which makes it entertaining to dive into the mind of a (fictional) human being, one who shows no emotion not because he's uncaring but because he finds it purposeless.

10/10 No lie.

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Old 06-05-2012, 03:18 PM   #2273
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i finished The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time about a month ago but i never really made the connection to The Stranger until now; thoughts on whether or not the main character is autistic? he certainly shares a bevy of the usual attributes so it'd make sense
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:52 PM   #2274
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i finished The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time about a month ago but i never really made the connection to The Stranger until now; thoughts on whether or not the main character is autistic? he certainly shares a bevy of the usual attributes so it'd make sense

Never read the previously mentioned story in your post, but I suppose one could make an argument that Meursault exhibits characteristics of autism.
I didn't think about that to be honest, but now that you mention it, it does seem very plausible.
Albert Camus, the author, never did dwell into Meursault's state of mind after writing the novel, so I can't say for sure that that's what he was trying to portray him as, but again I could believe it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:05 AM   #2275
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you should totally check out The Curious Incident man. it's like the Meursault on steroids... err, autistic steroids at least. The Stranger only very subtly touches on the themes you mentioned, existentialism primarily as well as emotional detachment and a let-it-be kind of lifestyle. The Curious Incident is a different breed entirely. if you've never heard of it before, it's written convincingly from the perspective of a young autistic boy. nothing like The Stranger besides the similarities between the main characters, but i found the blatant use of autism in Curious Case really cut straight to the root of the difference you were describing; imo as simplified as i can possibly see it, the distinction essentially describes an individual's outlook towards other people. the stranger is called the stranger for a reason, the main character can't relate to anybody else, hell he can barely relate to himself as in understand himself as a human being like anybody else in the world... thus he's just a stranger to everything around him.

and if you understand autism the way i've come to understand it, the entire basis of the disorder (i don't really like calling it that) is built on an inability to conceive of a human being as anything other than a predictable machine that must be analyzed. the commonalities between an autistic person's own experience and the experience of every other human being isn't understood on an intimate level; instead of seeing people as subjects, they're just seen as more objects in an entire world of objects. and you react to them in turn.

i'm ranting now, had a few drinks earlier and its probably rubbing out in my writing (it tends to), but if The Stranger really struck you for the reasons you described, at least as i understood them, check the above novel to go even deeper into those interesting differences you can find to varying degrees between just about any person you come across. very fascinating subject of analysis imo.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:45 AM   #2276
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I just finished Matterhorn. One of the better novels I've read in a long time, what an insanely powerful book.

Now I'm about to start this:

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Old 06-06-2012, 12:48 AM   #2277
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Good luck not feeling like complete shit after reading those back to back. Matterhorn was bad enough, but Fields of Fire will elevate you to an entirely new level of suffering.

BTW, I'm starting this:

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Good luck not feeling like complete shit after reading those back to back. Matterhorn was bad enough, but Fields of Fire will elevate you to an entirely new level of suffering.

BTW, I'm starting this:

Yeah, Matterhorn was so tough, especially the final few battle scenes, and then the ending with Hawke, jesus.

And that Mailer book is waiting for me to pick up at the Library, I was debating weather to read that and then Fields of Fire, decided to read FOF and then the Mailer book.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:55 AM   #2279
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Where can i download "Can i keep my jersey?" from Paul Shirley ??

Any help please?
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:58 AM   #2280
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Yeah, Matterhorn was so tough, especially the final few battle scenes, and then the ending with Hawke, jesus.

And that Mailer book is waiting for me to pick up at the Library, I was debating weather to read that and then Fields of Fire, decided to read FOF and then the Mailer book.
Yeah, before the ending with Hawke, I really felt Matterhorn was going to end with at least some sort of positive outlook, and if not positive, at least not downright gut-wrenching. But it did.

I can promise you, if you felt the wind knocked out of your sails by the end of Matterhorn, the entire second half of Fields of Fire is going to make you want to cry.
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