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Old 01-23-2014, 05:31 PM   #2731
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Yeah, Hume is awesome. I've read An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding twice (once in college, once out) and enjoyed it way more than anything else I touch in philosophy during college. I still need to read his economics stuff and treatise on money. He is widely credited with developing the first ever economic model.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:26 PM   #2732
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Thats next on my list, dresta. Your description makes me wanna read it now.

Currently reading Dreiser trilogy
It's definitely worth reading. I've read the first half which are essays on economics and past thinkers who made significant contributions to economics, and i knew little about Mandeville until reading his essay on him (he came up with the concept of the division of labour, and laid the foundations Hume would build on to explain the evolutionary-type growth of human institutions).

What's Dreiser like? I've wanted to read him ever since i read Mencken's praise of him.

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Yeah, Hume is awesome. I've read An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding twice (once in college, once out) and enjoyed it way more than anything else I touch in philosophy during college. I still need to read his economics stuff and treatise on money. He is widely credited with developing the first ever economic model.
You need to read his treatise on human nature (his masterwork according to Hayek and B. Russell). His 'enquiry' is basically a slimmed down and heavily edited version of that, but Russell said it left a lot of the best stuff out. I definitely need to read it again because a lot went over my head when i read it a couple years ago.

Hayek says that most of his important ideas can be found or derived from the second part of his treatise. But in his essays he frequently formulated these ideas in a better and more digestible way. He regards it to be one of the great tragedies of human and intellectual progress that the madman Rousseau's gained more sway than Hume's. I would say that Hume's ideas appeal more to the mind, whereas Rousseau's have a hold on human emotion and instinct, which has shown itself to be stronger than disinterested analysis.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:02 PM   #2733
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Anyone read this? I have it and hopefully can find some time to get through it in between reading engineering textbooks... graduated from undergrad 2012, now in grad school, haven't read for pleasure in years
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:28 PM   #2734
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It's definitely worth reading. I've read the first half which are essays on economics and past thinkers who made significant contributions to economics, and i knew little about Mandeville until reading his essay on him (he came up with the concept of the division of labour, and laid the foundations Hume would build on to explain the evolutionary-type growth of human institutions).

What's Dreiser like? I've wanted to read him ever since i read Mencken's praise of him.


You need to read his treatise on human nature (his masterwork according to Hayek and B. Russell). His 'enquiry' is basically a slimmed down and heavily edited version of that, but Russell said it left a lot of the best stuff out. I definitely need to read it again because a lot went over my head when i read it a couple years ago.

Hayek says that most of his important ideas can be found or derived from the second part of his treatise. But in his essays he frequently formulated these ideas in a better and more digestible way. He regards it to be one of the great tragedies of human and intellectual progress that the madman Rousseau's gained more sway than Hume's. I would say that Hume's ideas appeal more to the mind, whereas Rousseau's have a hold on human emotion and instinct, which has shown itself to be stronger than disinterested analysis.

Hmm, very interesting. I will definitely read his treatise. I'm glad I only read the Enquiry until now tho because I don't think I was mature enough in the past to really grasp a the Treatise if it really has that much more depth. The only reason I read it in the first place was because we read it in tandem with Descartes' "Discourse on the Method."

I actually just picked up Rousseau's "Social Contract" so it might be a really good time to read him and Hume back to back and compare the two for myself.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:02 PM   #2735
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Hmm, very interesting. I will definitely read his treatise. I'm glad I only read the Enquiry until now tho because I don't think I was mature enough in the past to really grasp a the Treatise if it really has that much more depth. The only reason I read it in the first place was because we read it in tandem with Descartes' "Discourse on the Method."

I actually just picked up Rousseau's "Social Contract" so it might be a really good time to read him and Hume back to back and compare the two for myself.
The best thing about Rousseau is his style, especially in his Confessions, but his ideas, at least to me, are both incoherent and absurd. He thought man was better off returning to a state of nature, where his life would be more noble and worthy. He did thus have a large influence on the growth of romanticism, but it is vain to look to romanticism to find viable political doctrines. Russell called Robespierre 'in all things his faithful disciple' - and his concept of the general will as outlined in the Social Contract doesn't make much sense due to its extreme ambiguity. Communism, nazism and jacobinism all derive from Rousseau, so i find it remarkable that people still quote him to justify their arguments.

Voltaire's response after reading his Discourse on Inequality is pretty funny:

'"I have received your new book against the human race, and thank you for it. Never was such a cleverness used in the design of making us all stupid. One longs, in reading your book, to walk on all fours. But as I have lost that habit for more than sixty years, I feel unhappily the impossibility of resuming it. Nor can I embark in search of the savages of Canada, because the maladies to which I am condemned render a European surgeon necessary to me; because war is going on in those regions; and because the example of our actions has made the savages nearly as bad as ourselves."

I actually wrote a shitty essay on Rousseau in my first year at uni, and reading through it, some of the things Rousseau has to say:

'I do not know what the doctors cure us of, but I know this: they infect us with very deadly diseases, cowardice, timidity, credulity, the fear of death. What matter if they make the dead walk, we have no need of corpses; they fail to give us men, and that is what we need.'

'"The education of women should always be relative to that of men. To please, to be useful to us, to make us love and esteem them, to educate us when young… To render our lives easy and agreeable; these are the duties of women at all times, and what they should be taught in their infancy."

'‘whoever refuses to obey the general will shall be compelled to do so by the whole body. This means nothing less than that he will be forced to be free; for this is the condition which, by giving each citizen to his country, secures him against all personal dependence.’

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Old 01-25-2014, 07:45 PM   #2736
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not sure if you're familiar with "Rude Jude" but he wrote this book of autobiographical short stories, f*cking amazing read. Got through it in a few hours, couldn't put it down. Not something you're going to relate to necessarily but captures a voice of our generation. A nice combination of laugh out loud funny and profoundly dark. I think it's $11 on amazon, go get it.
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:07 PM   #2737
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A great book,touching story, almost made my cry. 10/10. Must read.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:44 AM   #2738
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Very good novel. One of my favorites from last year.


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Old 02-18-2014, 10:05 PM   #2739
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Interesting to read it while considering its contemporary applications. I think the best part of it is that it carries a thread throughout the book of how to best develop a sustainable organization. It provides interesting advice for corporate life in America.

One quote that kept running through my head when reading it was Burt Cooper from Mad Men when he says to Don, "One never knows how loyalty is born."
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:25 PM   #2742
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I'm reading Gone Girl by Gillian Flynn

It's pretty sharp and it drew me in instantly.

Started reading becuz David Fincher is adapting for film and stories he makes are usually a wild ride
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Any of you read books from Gladwell? I am currently reading outliers, the one with 10000 hours rule.
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The Flamethrowers by Rachel Kushner
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:01 AM   #2745
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Any of you read books from Gladwell? I am currently reading outliers, the one with 10000 hours rule.

Just ordered Outliers over the weekend, should be here tomorrow. Also have The Tipping Point and Blink.
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