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Old 05-02-2009, 07:27 PM   #31
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We eat them because we can. I'm sure if a dog was strong enough to eat humans they would. It's part of the chain. You got to do what it ever it takes to survive and eating animals is one of them.
what an ignorant statement with no foundation in biological reality. Surivival of the fittest is misused so much. thats not really what it means at all. It refers to within population competition for food or sex, not between species comp.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:29 PM   #32
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what an ignorant statement with no foundation in biological reality. Surivival of the fittest is misused so much. thats not really what it means at all. It refers to within population competition for food or sex, not between species comp.


I didn't say it was survival of the fittest.. I basically said people eat meat to survive.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:46 PM   #33
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we can't we are all immoral when we do this. I thought I could refute the arguement but I can't. Eating animals is wrong.

I reccommend some of Gary Francione's books, he is a cool guy and very into this stuff.

Im still gonna eat animals but I guess Im just an *******.

Eating animals is not wrong

The way I see things, humans are at the top of the world food chain. We have conquered all the world, and we are capable of eating whatever we want. We are doing an injustice to nature by not acting like we are at the top of the food chain.

Have you looked out in nature recently? Animals survive by eating other animals. Is it wrong for a tiger to eat a deer? Is it wrong for an eagle to eat a mouse? Is it wrong for a crocodile to eat a toddler? No of course not. Animals eat other animals to survive.

Our ancient ancestors used stone tools and arrows and crap to kill animals for food, were they doing something wrong?
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:50 PM   #34
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Default Re: How can we justify eating animals morally?

As humans we are inevitably animals. So it's in our nature to kill other species for the purpose of survival.

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Old 05-02-2009, 07:56 PM   #35
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Have you looked out in nature recently? Animals survive by eating other animals. Is it wrong for a tiger to eat a deer? Is it wrong for an eagle to eat a mouse? Is it wrong for a crocodile to eat a toddler? No of course not. Animals eat other animals to survive.
Difference: Human beings have the capacity for deductive reasoning. We are able to understand (or at least try to understand) complex concepts pertaining to morality. In other words, one could argue that we have a choice, whereas most beasts in the animal kingdom do not. I'm pretty sure that's what Rousseau said - human beings are free agents. We are subject to our own nature, but we also have the capacity to reject that very nature and opt for alternatives. Tigers and eagles and crocodiles cannot do that.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:01 PM   #36
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Eating animals is not wrong

The way I see things, humans are at the top of the world food chain. We have conquered all the world, and we are capable of eating whatever we want. We are doing an injustice to nature by not acting like we are at the top of the food chain.

Have you looked out in nature recently? Animals survive by eating other animals. Is it wrong for a tiger to eat a deer? Is it wrong for an eagle to eat a mouse? Is it wrong for a crocodile to eat a toddler? No of course not. Animals eat other animals to survive.

Our ancient ancestors used stone tools and arrows and crap to kill animals for food, were they doing something wrong?

this sounds like the justification for slavery
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:04 PM   #37
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this sounds like the justification for slavery

How can you interpret that as justification for slavery? Where is slavery naturally occuring in nature? Animals eating other animals does naturally occur in nature.
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:20 PM   #38
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How can you interpret that as justification for slavery? Where is slavery naturally occuring in nature? Animals eating other animals does naturally occur in nature.

Not exactly slavery, but Queen Bee - Drone.. Prayin Mantis/Spider b!tch eating husband.. Wolf Pack Alpha heirarchy.

Not stuff we'd want to incorporate into a human system broski
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Old 05-02-2009, 09:41 PM   #39
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Dinosaurs ate the sh*t out of anything in their way. If they can do it and look pretty grim while doing it too, then so can I.
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Old 05-02-2009, 10:55 PM   #40
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How can you interpret that as justification for slavery? Where is slavery naturally occuring in nature? Animals eating other animals does naturally occur in nature.
so does rape and cannibalism. also we cant eat whatever we want. we cant eat cellulose like ruminants (cattle eating grass for example). This we rule the world BS is a terrible answer to greasy's original point
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:02 PM   #41
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I didn't say it was survival of the fittest.. I basically said people eat meat to survive.
but they dont need to.

and most human diets (both in the past and currently on a worldwide basis) have a very small amount of meat as a component.

Also, this idea that we are the top of the food chain because we conquered the world is confusing some major issues. We are not the top of the food chain, we have the omnivorous capacity to slot in any number of places on the food chain and the healthiest and best diets are actually much lower on the foodweb (much more realistic than just a chain). Top of the food chain is really something that predates on smaller predators which predate on smaller consumers which consume producers (plants).

Eating on a high trophic level is really a bad idea and not feasible or sustainable for the current world population. Eating closer to the level of energy production (photosynthesis) is much better for both your health and the overall impact of human food production on ecosystem functioning.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:20 PM   #42
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This we rule the world BS is a terrible answer to greasy's original point

What was his original point? Who decides what is right and what is wrong? Who decides what is moral and what is amoral?
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Default Re: How can we justify eating animals morally?

Animals eat plants
Bigger animals eat smaller animals
We eat bigger animals

It's the food chain. And I'm hungry.
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Old 05-02-2009, 11:33 PM   #44
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I don't think grease should have looked at the OTC lounge for the type of discussion he was going for.
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Old 05-03-2009, 12:06 AM   #45
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What was his original point? Who decides what is right and what is wrong? Who decides what is moral and what is amoral?
I asked him that a couple of times and got no further clarification. Hes assuming some universal moral code.
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