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Old 06-13-2006, 02:08 PM   #16
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ALBaller, Kirk Hinrich is an elite PG. and ben gordon is the most clutch player in the NBA. do you think steve francis and stephon marbury are better than Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon when it comes to playing NBA ball? Also, Andres Nocioni (the gold medalist) proved very few players up their game more than he does when it comes to playoff basketball.

First off, leave the Knicks out of this.

Second off, your definition for "elite" is very loose. Ben Gordon is basically a 6th man, Andres Nocioni is an above-average SF, and Kirk is a top 5 PG. By your standards - Jason Richardson, Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Josh Howard, Mike Miller could be considered "elite".

As for, would I rather have Gordon/Hinrich or Marbury/Francis, I would take Gordon/Hinrich, but just because they're better than Marbury/Francis doesn't make them elite.

I would consider an elite player to be a future Hall of Famer, and a true star. You know Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, Lebron James, and from their you have borderline elites - Dirk, T-Mac, and so forth.
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Old 06-13-2006, 02:09 PM   #17
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#4 - Rasheed Wallace was pure cancer for about four teams before landing in Detroit

Inaccurate. He only played with three teams before Detroit, and I doubt he did Atlanta too much harm playing one game.
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The man was damn near an all-star and is still only 25 or so years old. He puts up over 22 points a game while rebounding as much as some teams power fowards. What more do you want from him?
A playoff birth. Don't tell me his doesn't have adequate teammates - he couldn't get it done with Arenas and Jamison or with Davis and Dunleavy. Maybe someday we can take him off the list, but not now.
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Old 06-13-2006, 03:06 PM   #19
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#5 - Jason Richardson hasn't been able to lead the Warriors to the playoffs
So? he's a 22/6 player who shoots 40% from 3. He's a very good player. Possibly an all star in the coming few years. With you #5 pick you aren't demanding a franchise player who can carry a team to the playoffs by himself. Nothing short of Tim Duncan would ahve the Warriors in the playoffs and you're declaring JRich a bust because of it?

Otherwise good list.
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Geewiz, you're ignoring all the good teammates he's had. He's been in the league for six years now, right? Time for results.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:21 PM   #21
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Default Re: Top 5 picks that never helped the team who drafted them

Richardson gets to come off the list, and obviously Okafor and D.Williams have no place on the potential list. Still I'm bumping this thread because draft fever is upon us, and the common belief held around draft time is that every single draft candidate is a sure fire star who will help their team instantly.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:24 PM   #22
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What about Michael Olowakandi?
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:28 PM   #23
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What about Michael Olowakandi?
What about him? If you've got something to add, say it.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:28 PM   #24
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Actually, Mike Dunleavy is a good basketball player. He just can't play with stupid moron streetball guys like Baron Davis and Jason Richardson...which nobody can really play with

What did he do with Indiana?
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1. Kwame Brown
2. Kwame
3. Kwame
4. Kwame
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5. Kwame

You just need to pass him the ball, he drops it and everybody laugh
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You just need to pass him the ball, he drops it and everybody laugh
comedic relief is important.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:57 PM   #27
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What about him? If you've got something to add, say it.

What's there to prove? You practically gave enough info for each draftee, so what's there to talk about?
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You can go ahead and take Deron Williams out of the conversation. 16 points, 9 assists per game
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:23 AM   #30
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#2 - Keith Van Horn sucked his whole career for many NBA teams

WTF???


Keefus was the MAN! he was very good in Jersey and decent in Milwaukee and Dallas.

now his ankles..... well... they were made of glass.












By the way, Milwaukee drafted Dirk and traded him for Tractor trailor. That didn't really work out now did it?
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