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Old 05-25-2009, 03:13 PM   #1
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Default June 30th (the opt out deadline)

Things look pretty stale until then for our Jazz.


Kaman and Dalembert seem moveable though...
So does Hamilton.

Chicago and Detroit both have funds and need bigs (Memo, Boozer, Millsap are candidates)

AK could help a lot of teams that need a running 4.

I wonder how Koufos and Fes are doing in their offseason training.
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Old 05-25-2009, 03:16 PM   #2
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I wonder how Koufos and Fes are doing in their offseason training.

Koufos is probably working pretty hard, and Fes is probably playing Playstation all day and enjoying the beach.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:23 PM   #3
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It's getting closer.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:42 PM   #4
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Well we got all three.

Can't wait to see what management does with Milsap. The last remaining question marks are first Milsap, then Price, Knight, Collins, and D-Leaguers.

At this point I am very excited to see this squad operate healthy. We basically know what eveyone is capable of. Maybe Brewer will continue to improve (jumper?), Miles might get consistent, and Korver can shoot with a repaired wrist. Maybe Koufos will get to playing level.
Otherwise, the rest of the roster is simply a health question. Boozer legs, AK weight, Williams ankle, Memo whatever, Harpring knee. I hope they all get a good rest this summer. A healthy team is a contender IMO.

An overpaid Milsap could mean letting him go and seeing Koufos play. I'm really hoping we can get Milsap for less than 10M per though.

Think of the trade possibilities we have now! Expirers with Boozer (12M), Okur (9M), Harpring (6.5M), Korver (5.2), and Koufos and Fes. In this economy we could get something solid. Or, we could just wait it out and retool in 2010 free agency since we only have 42M commited salary.

I kinda like it this way. This team arrangement deserved a healthy run.
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Espn just stated that Carlos Boozer and Okur will be jazz men next season. And if Deron is healthy this will be his best season if he restores his shooting touch from 3

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Old 07-02-2009, 06:19 AM   #6
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Can't wait to see what management does with Milsap. The last remaining question marks are first Milsap, then Price, Knight, Collins, and D-Leaguers.

I'd say there are plenty of question marks still. Boozer or Milsap has to go at the very least. They need a back-up pg. they need a veteran big man. Jazz won't pay luxury tax no matter how much they say they will. Milsap won't sign to come off the bench though the Jazz could force him to for a year but why? They are loaded at the 4. Why not trade assets to get help where they need it which is everywhere else. Deron got a raise. This team sucked at the end of the year. Why would you bring back the same team and coach other than pure idiocy?

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I am very excited to see this squad operate healthy.

They were healthy down the stretch and sucked.

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We basically know what eveyone is capable of.

Exactly why you make moves.

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Maybe Koufos will get to playing level.

He was already there. Maybe Sloan will get a clue.

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,AK weight

You think he's going to get bigger after all these years?

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Memo whatever

Back and drive. Can't see them improving with age.

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Harpring knee

This either.

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A healthy team is a contender

Were you watching the same team? Contender for the last playoff spot maybe. If Memphis gets Randolph they look like a definite lottery bound team if they don't shake things up.

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[Think of the trade possibilities we have now! Expirers with Boozer (12M), Okur (9M), Harpring (6.5M), Korver (5.2), and Koufos and Fes. In this economy we could get something solid. Or, we could just wait it out and retool in 2010 free agency since we only have 42M commited salary.

But the Jazz won't make any major moves other than Boozer or Milsap cuz they never do unless their hand is forced as is the case there.

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This team arrangement deserved a healthy run.

Which they've had. How do you figure they start playing D all of a sudden with the same cast? They should have learned something from what Denver did last summer.

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I wonder if we can get Milsap to stay for the full MLE.

They can either pay him what the market asks and start him or match an offer and have an unhappy Milsap on the bench or he'll be forced into the 1 year qualifying offer. Makes no sense to bring him off the bench with the needs they have elsewhere.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:29 AM   #7
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The last remaining question marks are first Milsap, then Price, Knight, Collins, and D-Leaguers.

Plenty of question marks. Boozer or Milsap has to go. Makes no sense to force Milsap to come off the bench with needs elsewhere. Need veteran back-up pg. Need veteran center. Need combo guard.

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I am very excited to see this squad operate healthy.

We saw them healthy at the end of the year and they sucked. How do you figure they start playing better D now?

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We basically know what eveyone is capable of.

Which is exactly why they need to shake things up.

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] Maybe Koufos will get to playing level.

Was already there. Maybe Sloan will get a clue. Only way I see the same bunch improving drastically.

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AK weight

He's going to mature physically over the summer?

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Memo whatever

Back and drive aren't improving with age.

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Harpring knee.

Neither is that.

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A healthy team is a contender

Please explain how you come to this conclusion. They play no D. There coach is on record as saying "What can I do?"

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An overpaid Milsap could mean letting him go and seeing Koufos play.

You forgot about Fesenko and Collins I guess. LOL!

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Think of the trade possibilities we have now! Expirers with Boozer (12M), Okur (9M), Harpring (6.5M), Korver (5.2), and Koufos and Fes. In this economy we could get something solid. Or, we could just wait it out and retool in 2010 free agency since we only have 42M commited salary.

They're in much better position than Denver was a year ago to change their fortunes but they'll only do what they are forced to do as usual.

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This team arrangement deserved a healthy run.

They've had it. TIme to go forward with something else.

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I wonder if we can get Milsap to stay for the full MLE.

No. He's either signing a big offer with another team or the Jazz or taking the qualifying offer or he's being traded.
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Plenty of question marks. Boozer or Milsap has to go. Makes no sense to force Milsap to come off the bench with needs elsewhere. Need veteran back-up pg. Need veteran center. Need combo guard.
Milsap in a 3 man rotation makes a lot of sense. He has been most effective playing from the bench anyway.

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We saw them healthy at the end of the year and they sucked. How do you figure they start playing better D now?

We saw them sink with an injured Okur at the end of the season.

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Which is exactly why they need to shake things up.
This team made it to the WCF, and is improved now.

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He's going to mature physically over the summer?
...I categorized that under "health question"

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Back and drive aren't improving with age.
With rest.

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Neither is that.

With rest. Age is a detractor, but there is plenty of natural variation between years. Add some rest to it and boom.

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Please explain how you come to this conclusion. They play no D. There coach is on record as saying "What can I do?"
Their coach is on record saying a lot of things. He compliments the winning opponent and criticizes a losing Jazz team. The defense has been there before. It can return. The defense showed up in some big games last year (Boston @ Utah particularly). Otherwise, it was an impressive record for such an injured team. Seriously, Houston gets espn pitty for being injured, Utah's injuries last season were much more severe.

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You forgot about Fesenko and Collins I guess. LOL!
You are never sincere. You know Koufos is before Fes in the rotation. Collins may not even be back.

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They've had it. TIme to go forward with something else.

Makes much more sense to play this year and make changes next summer. Its not a bad set up.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:19 AM   #9
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Milsap in a 3 man rotation makes a lot of sense. He has been most effective playing from the bench anyway.


Might make sense if him and Boozer was bigger and could they could actually get away with one of them at center but they aren't and they can't. More effective3 off the bench than the string of double doubles and all-star worthy play he played last year? Regardless he doesn't want to come off the bench and won't be happy in that role so he or Boozer has to go.

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We saw them sink with an injured Okur at the end of the season.


He was healthy in the playoffs no?

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This team made it to the WCF, and is improved now.


First they made it cuz GS upset the best team and I already said they've improved buit unfortunately while they kept basically the same team their opponents upgraded.

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The defense has been there before. It can return. The defense showed up in some big games last year (Boston @ Utah particularly).


Need it nightly. Sloan isn't the guy for the job obviously.

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it was an impressive record for such an injured team. Seriously, Houston gets espn pitty for being injured, Utah's injuries last season were much more severe.


Jazz were being called the deepest team in the league which was shown to be laughable at best. Houston beats the Lakers with Yao and probably with Deke. Much worse.

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You know Koufos is before Fes in the rotation. Collins may not even be back.


I know he should be but somehow he wasn't at the end of the season.

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Makes much more sense to play this year and make changes next summer. Its not a bad set up.


Makes sense to try and win every year. Something they should have learned in the Stockton and Malone era buit haven't. You don't wait for next year cuz it may never come.
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Old 07-03-2009, 05:10 PM   #10
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Might make sense if him and Boozer was bigger and could they could actually get away with one of them at center but they aren't and they can't. More effective3 off the bench than the string of double doubles and all-star worthy play he played last year? Regardless he doesn't want to come off the bench and won't be happy in that role so he or Boozer has to go.



He was healthy in the playoffs no?



First they made it cuz GS upset the best team and I already said they've improved buit unfortunately while they kept basically the same team their opponents upgraded.



Need it nightly. Sloan isn't the guy for the job obviously.



Jazz were being called the deepest team in the league which was shown to be laughable at best. Houston beats the Lakers with Yao and probably with Deke. Much worse.



I know he should be but somehow he wasn't at the end of the season.



Makes sense to try and win every year. Something they should have learned in the Stockton and Malone era buit haven't. You don't wait for next year cuz it may never come.

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Okur wasn't healthy in the playoffs.
Jazz were among the deepest. You don't get that record with those injuries if you aren't.
Next year will come. This year we have a stacked roster.
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Old 07-04-2009, 01:19 AM   #11
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Jazz were among the deepest. You don't get that record with those injuries if you aren't.

Sure you do. They had a couple all-star caliber players. You can win with one in the league. Deep they aren't.

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This year we have a stacked roster.

As opposed to the past 3 years?
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Sure you do. They had a couple all-star caliber players. You can win with one in the league. Deep they aren't.

If I said we had a couple of all-star caliber players, you would argue that we don't. It was a great record considering.

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As opposed to the past 3 years?
Most players have improved with each year. That's Milsap/Brewer rookie, sophomore, junior years. Miles/Williams sophomore, junior, senior. Three players getting major minutes now were just starting off back then. Now they are contributing. Boozer and Okur aren't yet declining. This is the maturing of a young team = stacked.
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Old 07-05-2009, 10:21 PM   #13
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The problem is while the Jazz players are maturing the other teams have improved more through trades and free agency not to mention that most of the best young players are on the lottery teams and they will be emerging in time as the Blazers have. Memphis looks to be next.

Duncan/Ginobli/Parker/Jefferson=stacked

Howard/Carter/Nelson/Lewis=stacked

Arenas/Jamison/Butler/Miller=stacked

etc.
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The problem is while the Jazz players are maturing the other teams have improved more through trades and free agency not to mention that most of the best young players are on the lottery teams and they will be emerging in time as the Blazers have. Memphis looks to be next.

Duncan/Ginobli/Parker/Jefferson=stacked

Howard/Carter/Nelson/Lewis=stacked

Arenas/Jamison/Butler/Miller=stacked

etc.

We are just as stacked as the Wiz.
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If they're healthy no. Boston no. Boston and SA are the current favorites cuz of D.
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