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Old 05-27-2009, 05:04 PM   #1
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Not only do you get taxed once through income taxes, now the federal government wants a VAT on top of that, basically meaning that you'd be getting double-taxed and that doesn't include any state taxes whatsoever.


A VAT is a highly regressive tax that affects the poor and middle class the hardest.

This is the Hope and Change that people voted for? Good one. But maybe by some miracle, nobody who makes less than $250k a year buys stuff that this will effect. Like eggs, clothing, professional services..etc, poor people don't need that **** anyways.


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By Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 27, 2009


With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

At a White House conference earlier this year on the government's budget problems, a roomful of tax experts pleaded with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to consider a VAT. A recent flurry of books and papers on the subject is attracting genuine, if furtive, interest in Congress. And last month, after wrestling with the White House over the massive deficits projected under Obama's policies, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee declared that a VAT should be part of the debate.

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

A VAT is a tax on the transfer of goods and services that ultimately is borne by the consumer. Highly visible, it would increase the cost of just about everything, from a carton of eggs to a visit with a lawyer. It is also hugely regressive, falling heavily on the poor. But VAT advocates say those negatives could be offset by using the proceeds to pay for health care for every American -- a tangible benefit that would be highly valuable to low-income families.

Liberals dispute that notion. "You could pay for it regressively and have people at the bottom come out better off -- maybe. Or you could pay for it progressively and they'd come out a lot better off," said Bob McIntyre, director of the nonprofit Citizens for Tax Justice, which has a health financing plan that targets corporations and the rich.

A White House official said a VAT is "unlikely to be in the mix" as a means to pay for health-care reform. "While we do not want to rule any credible idea in or out as we discuss the way forward with Congress, the VAT tax, in particular, is popular with academics but highly controversial with policymakers," said Kenneth Baer, a spokesman for White House Budget Director Peter Orszag.

Still, Orszag has hired a prominent VAT advocate to advise him on health care: Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and author of the 2008 book "Health Care, Guaranteed." Meanwhile, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul A. Volcker, chairman of a task force Obama assigned to study the tax system, has expressed at least tentative support for a VAT.

"Everybody who understands our long-term budget problems understands we're going to need a new source of revenue, and a VAT is an obvious candidate," said Leonard Burman, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, who testified on Capitol Hill this month about his own VAT plan. "It's common to the rest of the world, and we don't have it."

Seeking New Revenue

The surge of interest in a VAT is testament to the extraordinary depth of the nation's money troubles. While some conservatives have long argued that a consumption tax would provide a simpler and more efficient alternative to the byzantine U.S. income tax code, this time it's all about the money.

The federal budget deficit is projected to approach $1.3 trillion next year, the highest ever except for this year, when the deficit is forecast to exceed $1.8 trillion. The Treasury is borrowing 46 cents of every dollar it spends, largely from China and other foreign creditors, who are growing increasingly uneasy about the security of their investments. Unless Congress comes up with some serious cash, expanding the nation's health-care system will only add to the problem.

Obama wants to raise income taxes for high earners and impose new levies on business, but those moves would not generate enough cash to cover the cost of health care, much less balance the budget, and they have not been fully embraced by Congress. Obama's plan to tax greenhouse-gas emissions could raise trillions of dollars, but again, Congress is balking.

Key lawmakers are considering other ways to pay for health reform, including new taxes on sugary soda, alcohol and employer-provided health insurance. The last proposal could raise a lot of money -- nearly $1 trillion over the next five years, according to White House budget documents. But options on the table would raise a fraction of that sum. And while it might pay for health care, it would barely dent deficits projected to total nearly $4 trillion over the next five years and to grow rapidly in the future, as baby boomers draw on Social Security and Medicare.

Enter the VAT, one of the world's most popular taxes, in use in more than 130 countries. Among industrialized nations, rates range from 5 percent in Japan to 25 percent in Hungary and in parts of Scandinavia. A 21 percent VAT has permitted Ireland to attract investment by lowering its corporate tax rate.

The VAT has advantages: Because producers, wholesalers and retailers are each required to record their transactions and pay a portion of the VAT, the tax is hard to dodge. It punishes spending rather than savings, which the administration hopes to encourage. And the threat of a VAT could pull the country out of recession, some economists argue, by hurrying consumers to the mall before the tax hits.
A VAT's Bottom Line

What would it cost? Emanuel argues in his book that a 10 percent VAT would pay for every American not entitled to Medicare or Medicaid to enroll in a health plan with no deductibles and minimal copayments. In his 2008 book, "100 Million Unnecessary Returns," Yale law professor Michael J. Graetz estimates that a VAT of 10 to 14 percent would raise enough money to exempt families earning less than $100,000 -- about 90 percent of households -- from the income tax and would lower rates for everyone else.

And in a paper published last month in the Virginia Tax Review, Burman suggests that a 25 percent VAT could do it all: Pay for health-care reform, balance the federal budget and exempt millions of families from the income tax while slashing the top rate to 25 percent. A gallon of milk would jump from $3.69 to $4.61, and a $5,000 bathroom renovation would suddenly cost $6,250, but the nation's debt would stabilize and everybody could see a doctor.

Sales Tax Gains Momentum

Burman, who helped House Democrats craft an unsuccessful 2007 plan to repeal the alternative minimum tax, said he's received a number of phone calls from lawmakers interested in his idea, though "they can't quite imagine how to make it happen politically." Burman said the 25 percent rate has caused some sticker shock, and he's trying to figure out how to bring it down.

Graetz's proposal drew an endorsement from Volcker, who last year called it "a sensible plan for reform." (Volcker did not respond to a request for comment.) It also has piqued the interest of Conrad, the Senate Budget Committee chairman who argues that it could be modified to accommodate Obama's pledge not to raise taxes on families who make less than $200,000 a year.

"I think interest is quietly picking up," Graetz said. "People are beginning to recognize that the mathematics of the current system are just unsustainable. [No ****!]

You have to do something. And a VAT has got to be on the table if you want to do something big and serious."

Still, the Senate Finance Committee declined to include a VAT among the options it is considering to pay for health reform. And even VAT supporters doubt the tax will find a place among the tax-reform proposals the Volcker panel has been asked to produce by Dec. 4.

Though the nation's fiscal outlook is grim, Burman said "the situation will have to get more desperate" before lawmakers are likely to consider a new levy aimed directly at the pocketbooks of every one of their constituents.

Most lawmakers are still looking for "a painless source of revenue" to overhaul the health-care system and dig the nation out of debt, Burman said. "Who knows?" he added. "Maybe the tooth fairy will bring that to them."



The thing is, if they decide to employ a VAT based system, it won't be to balance the budgets and fill in deficits, it will be to support all new and even more massive government spending adventures.




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A brief list of taxes in the US

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


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"For a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill

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Old 05-27-2009, 05:07 PM   #2
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Glad this is happening.
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How old are you?
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How old are you?

24 years old.
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24 years old.



Yes, let us know when you're out in the real world. Paying a considerable added tax on top of state and federal taxes when you're working and supporting a family, all so the government can blow additional money isn't as delightful as when you have nothing else to worry about except hanging around in an apartment and getting stoned nightly.
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Yes, let us know when you're out in the real world. Paying a considerable added tax on top of state and federal taxes when you're working and supporting a family, all so the government can blow additional money isn't as delightful as when you have nothing else to worry about except hanging around in an apartment and getting stoned nightly.

Assume much?

I've seen Meticode talk repeatedly about his wife and kid...I don't think he sits in an apartment getting stoned nightly.
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Assume much?

I've seen Meticode talk repeatedly about his wife and kid...I don't think he sits in an apartment getting stoned nightly.



Well then is just stupid. Unless you're incredibly wealthy, this tax is going to put a burden on you. This tax really hurts the lower and middle classes the most. Everything gets taxed, from food to clothes and so on. They aren't even sure that this would be used for a national healthcare system, they just know that they need another source of revenue so that they can continue handing over money to the banks and corporations regularly.

Our government is basically bankrupt and is looking for new ways to steal money from people. The poorer you are, the worse off you'll be with this sort of tax.
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Yes, let us know when you're out in the real world. Paying a considerable added tax on top of state and federal taxes when you're working and supporting a family, all so the government can blow additional money isn't as delightful as when you have nothing else to worry about except hanging around in an apartment and getting stoned nightly.

I already support a family, but I'm always up for helping the government. It's not exactly our enemy all the time you know. We have to try to get out of debt somehow. I'm up for trying things that I'm not particular a fan of, are you? What are you doing to help the country? There are other things people need to be worried about besides paying a few extra dollars on a wal-mart shopping list.

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I already support a family, but I'm always up for helping the government. It's not exactly our enemy all the time you know.


Great, nobody is stopping you. By all means, go get with these guys, I'm sure they accept donations.

http://www.irs.gov/
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Great, nobody is stopping you. By all means, go get with these guys, I'm sure they accept donations.

http://www.irs.gov/

I mother already works with a branch of the government in the former ATF branch. I'm currently close to getting employed with a health provider to the US Army Reserve and the Army National Guard.

I don't need to donate anything to the IRS because of what I do already with my good habits. Paying my taxes on time, having 0 credit debt, etc.
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Keep in mind that a few months ago, we were ALL told that national healthcare would be paid by letting the Bush tax cuts expire and Medicaid reform....


Also remember that Obama said that he would cut taxes for 95% of Americans and nobody making under $250k a year would pay an additional dime in taxes.


How soon we forget.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...co/19334/print


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And he’ll pay for half his plan — $318 billion over 10 years – with new tax hike on Americans making more than $250,000.

Obama had pledged throughout his campaign to roll back Bush tax cuts for Americans making more than $250,000 a year in fiscal year 2011 – a plan that also will be included in Thursday’s budget — but this is different, aimed at reducing the itemized deduction rate for those taxpayers.

Some advocates for universal health coverage said they were surprised to learn that Obama would turn to a tax increase to create a dedicated fund for his program. The other half of the $634 billion would come from changes in savings in Medicare, including ending subsides to private insurance companies that participate in the Medicare Advantage programs in rural areas.

But the tax increase also opened Obama up to criticism from the congressional Republicans, who sensed an opening to attack Obama over one of the oldest political fault lines in Wahsington, tax increases.



Thanks to suckers like the guy above........"we got's to help out the government".......they keep getting away with wacky schemes like this that only serve to take more and more money from the citizens of this nation.
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helping the government do what? rape us in every way imaginable? i guess white people in the midwest dont really care since their houses are cheap and most of their food products come from neighbor farms.
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I mother already works with a branch of the government in the former ATF branch.

I don't need to donate anything to the IRS because of what I do already with my good habits. Paying my taxes on time, having 0 credit debt, etc.



Well the point is, you said you're willing to pay more to help the government out. My point is that nobody is stopping you. You can send as much additional money as you wish to the IRS since you feel so strongly on this issue.


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So are you currently employed????
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Cry cry, whine whine. Posting it on a basketball forum will change something.
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Vehicle Sales Tax

This one makes no sense whatsoever

If you buy a used car... you still have to pay tax on it?


So let's pretend I buy a used car for $20,000 (+.0625%)...
sell it for $15,000 (+.0625%) a year later
he sells it for $10,000 (+.0625%) a year later
and that guy sells it for $5,000 (+.0625%) a year later

$1,250
$937
$625
$313

=

$3125 the state makes if a used car is sold 4 times... plus the initial sales tax.

Am I wrong on this?
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