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Old 10-10-2006, 03:58 PM   #31
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i don't get why would compare 2 wide recievers to a Tight End?

Obviously you didn't read the first post in the thread.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:00 PM   #32
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i did read it, why would you compared their games to that statement?

you can compare who has the louder mouth but shockey is a pro bowler just like TO and Moss
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:08 PM   #33
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Obviously you didn't read the first post in the thread.

PLEASE ignore this poster. Kid is mentally challenged. Thanks
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:09 PM   #34
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Right now TO and Moss have a longer track record than Shockey. Perhaps, with time Shockey will get the T.O. treatment.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:12 PM   #35
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This from Scouts Inc

Tight End
RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT
1 Tony Gonzalez TE KC -- 93 He can make special ... More
2 Antonio Gates TE SD -- 89 He has rare instinct... More
3 Alge Crumpler TE ATL -- 87 Changes directions w... More
4 Todd Heap TE BAL -- 85 Rare athlete. He sho... More
5 Randy McMichael TE MIA -- 80 He is tall and cut-h... More
6 Jeremy Shockey TE NYG D 79 He can stretch the s... More
7 Jason Witten TE DAL -- 78 Has the burst to rea... More
8 Dallas Clark TE IND -- 77 He has excellent han... More
9 Daniel Graham TE NE D 75 He has really improv... More
10 Bubba Franks TE GNB -- 74 Has the
quick burst ... More

Wide Receiver
RK PLAYER POS TEAM ALERT GRADE COMMENT
1 Randy Moss WR OAK -- 97 Possesses good top-e... More
2 Terrell Owens WR DAL C 95 Owens is an outstand... More
3 Marvin Harrison WR IND -- 94 He is an excellent p... More
4 Torry Holt WR STL -- 93 Shows a second gear ... More
5 Chad Johnson WR CIN -- 91 He is not a burner b... More
6 Hines Ward WR PIT -- 90 He does not have gre... More
7 Derrick Mason WR BAL -- 88 He is also an excell... More
8 Laveranues Coles WR NYJ -- 85 He has adequate size... More
9 Andre Johnson WR HOU -- 80 He is a young, talen... More
10 Steve Smith WR CAR I 79 Possesses excellent ... More

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/feature...ing?position=7
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/feature...ing?position=1


Now do you really want to try and argue that Shockey's ability is on the same level as TO and Moss?
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:14 PM   #36
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PLEASE ignore this poster. Kid is mentally challenged

Duly noted.

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Old 10-10-2006, 04:15 PM   #37
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This from the guy who lives on this board and scamed some of the posters here to feed his gambling addiction.

not to mention saves pictures of ISH members to his hard drive. Halloween is coming and that is freaky!
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:25 PM   #38
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Now do you really want to try and argue that Shockey's ability is on the same level as TO and Moss?

Shockeys Ability is up there with TO and Moss, TO and Moss haven't done nothing this year, those rankings were probly before the season started and if they weren't then i'll name you 5 WR's right now better then TO and Moss

1) Chad Johnson
2) Steve Smith
3) Marvin Harrison
4) Keyshaun Johnson
5) Santana Moss

Amani Toomer, Plaxico Burress, Terry Glen, Matt Jones etc. > TO and Moss This Season
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:28 PM   #39
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How many games have they played?

Maybe they should just cancel the season now to make Shockey look better.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:31 PM   #40
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5 Games, Still nothing from TO or Moss.

Eli Hasn't Been throwing to shockey much it's mostly been Amani Toomer and Plaxico, He throws to Speedy Tim Carter More then Shockey, But when we throw to shockey we know its a catch and a gain of 10.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:39 PM   #41
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This from the guy who lives on this board and scamed some of the posters here to feed his gambling addiction.

Oh I almost forgot about you creating another user account so you could have a conversation with yourself. Creepy.

Actually i was asking you to ignore Handle the Rock. Wasnt talkin bout you. Didnt want you getting into a stupid back & forth with him because he types a bunch of nothing and makes 3 posts back to back to back for no reason at all.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:40 PM   #42
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For the most part, tontoz is absolutely correct. Shockey doesn't have close to the national notoriety that TO and Moss do. Mainly its because he's good, but not on their level. Maybe the position he plays has a little to do with it, but not much.

However, I do think that race does play a part in this - though how big a part is debatable - and that TO and Moss are more scruntinized because they're black.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:42 PM   #43
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Actually i was asking you to ignore Handle the Rock. Wasnt talkin bout you.

Oops. my bad. The fact that you had my quote in your post threw me off.
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Oops. my bad. The fact that you had my quote in your post threw me off.

No problem, actually lookin at it i could see how someone could get confused.
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:55 PM   #45
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For the most part, tontoz is absolutely correct. Shockey doesn't have close to the national notoriety that TO and Moss do. Mainly its because he's good, but not on their level. Maybe the position he plays has a little to do with it, but not much.

However, I do think that race does play a part in this - though how big a part is debatable - and that TO and Moss are more scruntinized because they're black.

Chad Johnson...whats his excuse? He's black. Guy has check lists of CB's he owns during the season. Celebrations are like mini commercials. He doesnt bite his tongue in papers, on radio or on the field (Cameras caught him and Joey Porter from Pitt jawing at it).

I dont think race has a thing to do with it since it seems/appears majority of players are black. So unless you can find white star players who pull the same stunt and dont recieve the same attention as TO. I'm not gonna buy it.

I think this is just a case of the sportsmedia targetting people who they dont like. Same with Barry Bonds. Sammy Sosa didnt recieve as much negative backlash (not saying he never did, nor hasnt) as much as Bonds. Why? Sosa isnt black per say but he aint white either. I dont think this is racially motivated because the sports media has black faces who are blasting TO.

Tom Jackson wont hesistate to call TO out on air. Steve Young plays both sides of the fence. Which one is white? So ehhhh
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