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Old 06-10-2009, 01:45 AM   #1
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Default Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

If this guy works hard on his post game in the offseason, and continues to do so as his career goes on, he will be a beast offensively. He works very hard to get open and is generally successful in getting good position... but whenever he gets the ball in the post, he always brings the ball down and sometimes dribbles unecessarily. This allows double teams to close and gives players a chance to strip the ball. Since he's so deep there's really no need to bring the ball down, just go up with it, or at least hold it high in the air before he makes his move, so guards can't swat at it. He gets the ball stripped a lot more than he should.

A perfect example of this is was tonight when he had a mismatch against kobe deep in the post, and all he had to do off the catch was turn around, keep the ball high (which is where he caught it) and take a 3 foot shot or even dunk. Instead he brought it down and tried to make a move and was fouled/doubled before getting a good shot attempt off.

Jeff Van Gundy made a good point of this, how when Gasol catches it in the low post he keeps the ball up high, and can generally take a quick jumphook with ease. Howard is such a monster physically that if he did that, he can just go strong to the rim, or get a good close range look. When he brings the ball, and his shoulders down he makes it difficult for himself.

That, and work on a spin move to the baseline. The opposing teams always give him the baseline open when he catches it on the low block... but since he's not very comfortable going baseline he takes a dribble and a step to the middle and takes a hook which is more often than not contested fairly well. He needs to be able to make quicker moves with confidence and be able to go either way, so he can mix his post game a little bit and be less predictable.

He's already proved he can improve his free throw shooting in just a short amount of time focusing on it over the past month. If he makes post fundamentals his focus for the offseason along with some free throw work...watch out.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:04 AM   #2
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

The problem is that Dwight doesn't have a good touch, even from that close, he dribbles because he wants to dunk it because he isn't a good finisher otherwise.

He has the ability to be great, his passing is always going to limit him though if he doesn't improve on that also. He is really slow making passes and decisions in the post.

If he ever learns how to actually play in the post rather than just being a freak of an athlete, he will be unstoppable but I have seen nothing to really indicate that he will, he still has the same offensive game he had as a rookie which is sad as a Magic fan. He has improved defensively a lot but on the offensive end he really hasn't.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:06 AM   #3
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

i've never taken him serious, he lacks the fundamentals of the Game, when he plays my pistons , maxiel always does a very good job on him. That why i find it hard to believe when he's dominating other teams.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:10 AM   #4
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I think he's already made a lot of progress. His hook shot isn't great, but it's still pretty effective. He ought to work on learning to really quickly catch and shoot a hook with either hand like Gasol, as well as on getting a spin move like Shaq. I don't really think he'll ever have a decent jump shot or game more than seven feet from the basket since his touch is horrible (although he seems to be working on a bank shot), but he doesn't really need any of those things to be effective. In fact, the way Orlando's offense is set up, it actually helps for the sake of spacing that he doesn't really leave the paint.
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

its very easy to defend dwight when you're taller/longer than him and have some good lateral quickness.

dwight is by no means a matchup nightmare. he is an undersized center that makes up for it by having freakish strength and athleticism.

the only way dwight's game can reach his potential is that he develops an hakeem kind of touch and footwork.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:18 AM   #6
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

Howard needs a reliable go to move, just one in his bag of tricks would open up the game for him. a little step back jumper, maybe a nice spin move from the lowpost back to the basket. Just one solid 80% of the time move, other than a dunk. The little hook is nice but he seems to have to put the ball on the floor to get it in motion and he's not tall enough to use it effectively against the 7 footers or in a crowd.
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:17 AM   #7
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

Dwight's post game has improved a lot. His running hook or jump hook with either hand is pretty good. He has a few good spin moves and he can use his speed when he faces up. This was all working to perfection against Cleveland and Philly. The key is getting these moves more consistent and polished while added maybe a face up jumper or turnaround jumper(which Ewing certainly could help with)

His passing has improved a lot as well, he's been handling double teams more patiently and making accurate passes to shooters. He still can only make basic passes, but that's good enough for now. He's averaging 3 assists per game in his last 8 games.

Dwight's problems are as the OP mentioned, putting the ball down low but also being lazy and not meeting passes and honestly his teammates don't get him the ball enough.

The scary thing is that he's 23, has so many things he can improve on, but he still has a chance to lead his team to a championship!
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:47 AM   #8
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

Howard needs to learn not to front up each time he gets the ball on the post. He should be using his strength to get inside. But wastes too much time fronting up and running across the keyway.
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:47 AM   #9
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

I don't think you can coach a soft offensive touch
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Old 06-10-2009, 04:14 AM   #10
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

He needs to learn how to hold on to the damn ball first. I've found myself shoutingat the TV these past 3 games moreso than ever, just because he cannot hold on to the ball. Some of that has to do with bringing the ball down and getting stripped from him.

He's excellent at getting position, because he is so wide (fantastic shoulders) and is incredibly strong. No match for Gasol, Bynum seemed to be able to handle it sometimes though. Anyway, if he can simply keep the ball above his head when he's got deep post position, he would be getting more easy baskets and more and1's.
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

He's definitely made a lot of progress than when he was first in the league. Right now though, I think he should work on taking care of that ball in the post. Almost each time he held it in Game 2, the ball just flew out of his hands. With those bear paws of his, he should be able to grasp the ball and keep it in his hands until he goes for a shot. Otherwise, his hook shot is coming on nicely, and those spin moves are leaving the much older & slower C's in the dust. If he develops that shot, which Ewing could DEFINITELY help him improve, then he's got nothing to worry about.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:29 PM   #12
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

His offensive game has improved since SVG has arrived. However, it is still not good by any means. He lacks serious touch, has sub-par footwork and has low IQ when it comes to offense. His scoring will always be relied upon his teammates more than himself. The only thing I am impressed with is his passing ability out of double teams.

All said and done, If Dwight is a face up player and if he doesn't develop a short range jump shot he will never be good on offense by any means. Relies way too much on athletic ability. His post play defensive is not good either, he's the best shot blocker in the league, but he has average post defense at best.

Anybody with length and somewhat lateral quickness can stop him. Only one pu*sy by the name of Big Z can't because he's a pu*sy and he is an idiot.

He needs to realize he's not even remotely close to Shaq, in terms of dominance, skill, or anything for that matter. They have nothing in common aside from being black and their FT percentages. Dwight Howard right now is David Robinson without the touch and he keeps on trying to play like Shaq.
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

A good post game is about foot work. Look at Pau of today, or Kevin Mchale back in the day. They got where they wanted on the floor, because of footwork. D-Howard should study tape on Pau's baseline spin and get that in arsenal A.S.A.P. Right now, D-Howard's post game gets a 3 out of 10, and that's based solely on his ability to pick up fouls. He will improve, IF he makes the commitment. I can see him being a 6-7 eventually.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:54 PM   #14
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

Still young, he has plenty of room to develop a solid post game.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:39 PM   #15
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Default Re: Dwight Howard's post play discussion.

His running hook is improving by the day.
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