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Old 07-19-2009, 03:02 PM   #31
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Kareem --> Wilt --> Russell --> Shaq --> Olajuwon (Depending on my bball mood I interchange Kareem and Wilt hehe)

Overall IMO = playing ability, career achievements, legacy, innovation and impact on the game. For me that last part has always propelled Russell above Hakeem and Shaq, Russell basically caused a paradigm shift in the game of basketball.

Peak playing ability:

Wilt --> Kareem --> Shaq --> Olajuwon --> Russell(?)

I can agree with that.

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Okay, but Ben Wallace was the defensive anchor of a 1-time winning team, which is 1 more championship than a lot of HOFers/future HOFers and an amazing accomplishment in itself. So why wouldn't he get the same recognition?

Same recognition, no. He was an inferior rebounder, defender, passer, shotblocker... He was not close to Bill Russell as a basketball player. And 1 is not 11.

He definetly has a significance chance of getting to the hall of fame. Although I must say that IMHO, even Dennis Rodman was better than him.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:03 PM   #32
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From what I've seen Hakeem has turned into the most over rated player ever, and Karl Malone has become the most under rated.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:07 PM   #33
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People only rank Russell that high because they think they're supposed to. The 11 championships excuse is bullsh*t because why aren't Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn ect. ranked higher?

Can you explain me why Sam Jones, Havlicek, Cousy and Heinsohn were not the ones winning multiple MVP's?? You know, when the players themselves voted for MVP, Bill Russell won it 5 times. I guess that were only voting for Bill Russell because they were supposed to.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:31 PM   #34
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I wouldn't be mad if people rank Hakeem #1. After all, he's up there with the big boys and add a couple of nostalgia here and there, we can understand why people would rank him there. One of the finest center indeed.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:35 PM   #35
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Wilt>Kareem>Russel>Hakeem>Shaq.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:36 PM   #36
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Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

One thread by an obvious idiot doesn't make a guy overrated.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:39 PM   #37
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Can you explain me why Sam Jones, Havlicek, Cousy and Heinsohn were not the ones winning multiple MVP's?? You know, when the players themselves voted for MVP, Bill Russell won it 5 times. I guess that were only voting for Bill Russell because they were supposed to.
Bill Russell is indeed one of the greatest player.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:43 PM   #38
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One thread by an obvious idiot doesn't make a guy overrated.

He is.

You have people saying stupid things like is the GOAT center. If Hakeem Olajuwon is better than Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain, he is arguably the greatest player ever. Do you see how stupid that is??

The GOAT center could not win a MVP before he was 30. The GOAT center did not make the first team when he was 27,28 or 29. Please... And you have several people ranking him as the top Center ever or saying there's no problem in ranking him first, yes there is. His career has absolutely nothing over guys like Wilt and Kareem. He is clearly overrated not only in ISH, but on most online forums.


No one voted for Olajuwon at first place and he had only one vote for second place:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...reatestCenters

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Old 07-19-2009, 03:50 PM   #39
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No. He is the most talented big men of all time. And Is top 3 center of all time IMO
In my opinion, Kareem, Wilt and Russell are all higher on the All Time List
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:50 PM   #40
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Robert Horry played with Hakeem, shaq and duncan and when asked who was the best he said.............................the Nigerian Nightmare
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:53 PM   #41
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He is.

You have people saying stupid things like is the GOAT center. If Hakeem Olajuwon is better than Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain, he is arguably the greatest player ever. Do you see how stupid that is??

I read that thread. The only people arguing for Hakeem were clear idiots who either had an agenda or had no reasoning behind it. It's why I never posted it in it. I don't care to talk to people who clearly won't change their minds.

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The GOAT center could not win a MVP before he was 30. The GOAT center did not make the first team when he was 27,28 or 29. Please... And you have several people ranking him as the top Center ever or saying there's no problem in ranking him first, yes there is. His career has absolutely nothing over guys like Wilt and Kareem. He is clearly overrated not only in ISH, but on most online forums.

What are you trying to prove to me? I know he's not the GOAT C. I just don't care what idiots think.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:56 PM   #42
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2nd best player I've ever seen play in their prime.

So, it's hard to overrate him in my book I guess.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:57 PM   #43
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I read that thread. The only people arguing for Hakeem were clear idiots who either had an agenda or had no reasoning behind it. It's why I never posted it in it. I don't care to talk to people who clearly won't change their minds.



What are you trying to prove to me? I know he's not the GOAT C. I just don't care what idiots think.

Fair enough.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:59 PM   #44
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Default Re: Hakeem Olajuwon is beginning to become quite overrated here.

You can tell who the new school NBA fans are by some of the responses. Hakeem is not the GOAT center nor is he a top 3 center all time. Kareem, Wilt & Russell were all more consistent and dominant at their peaks than what Olajuwon was.
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Old 07-19-2009, 04:10 PM   #45
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Nope, I have no agenda at all. You're just a f*cking retard. I question why people rank Russell so high because no other defensive specialist is ranked that high and nobody gives me a good answer. People only rank Russell that high because they think they're supposed to. The 11 championships excuse is bullsh*t because why aren't Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, Tom Heinsohn ect. ranked higher? I'm sorry I'm not stupid enough to just rank someone highly because I'm supposed. I'll give Russell a ranking in the lower part of the top 10 players of all time, but any higher is absurd when you think about it.
I completely agree with this. People say "Bill Russell" and "11 rings" as though he was the only one responsible for winning them. Did Russell put the team on his back and carry them to their championships? I don't believe so... While he did provide the defensive anchor for his squads, other players stepped up offensively.

Skill-wise, Russell does not belong in the same category as Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, or even Sabonis. DRob was a much more skilled player.

Not that I'm hating on Russell, who was a great player, but he gets WAY too much credit for those championships. He was an important factor in his team's success but was not the overwhelming reason that they won.
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