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Old 07-28-2009, 01:52 AM   #16
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No. Okafor at least has a few post moves. Chandler has none.

Chandler is quicker, but offensively he's only good for put-backs and that's pretty useless if you run a Larry Brown half-court type of game.

The team (as presently constituted) has no potential. Yeah we could scramble for 8th seed this year, but anyone with a brain knows we'll be one and done with this roster.

We're a small-market franchise. Nothing wrong with that, but small market franchises have to draft well and watch their cap room (San Antonio is the model system). We've drafted poorly. No GM who knows the NBA would have taken Adam Morrison over Brandon Roy (or Sean May over Danny Granger for that matter). We've also overpaid mediocre talent. Nazr Mohammed???

Oh well. There's always tomorrow.

So let's hope all players in the rest 29 teams have torn ACL and can't receive surgical repair because the waitlist is too long and teams are cash strapped to pay the cost of surgeries. Yes, congrats the healthcare system.

Anyway I like the idea of shipping out Okafor. I hate seeing Okafor being blocked by other big men so often. . He can't even defend Shaq.


At least the FO realized they have quite a bit of mess to clean up, not to mention they fxxxxxx created this long-term commitment mess.

And all we need to do is making Radmanovic a super mutant capable of playing PF.


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Old 07-28-2009, 02:18 AM   #17
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Valuewise I think it sucks. BB wise probably not too bad.

* "Just dunk the **** ball"? Check
* "It'd be nice if we had a center who can run the pick and roll"? Check
* Great hands? Check.
* Get out of Mek's last 3 (toxic) years? Check.

If we could possibly swap out Vlad for Posey and get their 1st round pick I'd like this better.
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Old 07-28-2009, 06:36 AM   #18
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it's a done deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359609

seriously, i don't understand. can anybody explain the logic to me? okafor's one of the best rebounders in the game, a great shot blocker, and has some nice post moves. he consistently puts up around 14/11 per game and is a solid defender. he's also one of the best running big men in the game.

this makes no sense to me. we take on more salary for an obviously worse player. and mek's been here since he was a rookie. can somebody explain how this trade is beneficial for the cats in any way?
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:41 AM   #19
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this makes no sense to me. we take on more salary for an obviously worse player. and mek's been here since he was a rookie. can somebody explain how this trade is beneficial for the cats in any way?
It makes sense b/c the staff (aka Larry Brown) probably determined that Okafor has little to no upside. Now the argument isn't that Chandler does have upside but that in 2 years, it won't matter b/c Chandler won't have 3 years and 40 million left on his contract...

This team has to free up cap space if they want to become relevant. Like someone said, we haven't drafted well and we haven't spent well. Well this is a long term cost cutting move that will give us a lot more options in 2 years.
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:42 AM   #20
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Mek's just not big enough. LB has been saying since he got here that we have to get bigger if we want to compete in the East. As much as I like Mek, he's not a legit center. And why is everyone saying he has great post moves? Have I been watching someone else for 5 years?

He's a classy guy but a rather bland, robotic post player with probably the worst hands of any big man in the game. Besides, Chandler's contract expires in 2 years. If he doesn't work out this season he will be valuable trade bait.

I've learned from this past season not to doubt LB's basketball wisdom. I was floored by the J-rich trade and look how that turned out.

Felton, Augustin
Bell, Henderson
Diaw, Brown
Wallace, Vlad
Chandler, Diop, Nazr

Not a bad roster at all imo. And I'm pretty sure we're not done yet.
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:05 AM   #21
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I asked my wife what percentage of my rants during Bobcats games were due to some stupid thing Okafor did, and she had to agree it was a large part of the pie. Haven't you seen the guy play? Haven't you seen every big man in the league block his feeble attempts at lay-ups? Haven't you seen him pout like a spoiled teenager when he commits a dumb foul? I mean, I got tired of yelling "DUNK THE EFFING BALL" every time he was near the rim

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Old 07-28-2009, 10:19 AM   #22
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It couldve been worse Crash or Mek for trash. At least we got a basketball player at a need position of comparable talent. To bad that now fans have to worry about long term contract dumping to make the team sellable in 09-10. It might not be NOH moving to Seattle soon
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:03 PM   #23
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i didnt get anything that you just said...
dont worry about it then
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:32 PM   #24
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Default Re: Okafor for Chandler?

I liked okafor, but I'll admit, his shot getting blocked was kind of annoying

I'm ok with this, AS LONG AS Chandler actually plays. I wouldn't think OKC would return him after his physical for no apparent reason, especially when their hole at the time was at center... He did have a lot of time to recover last season though.

As for his offensive production... we didn't rely on Okafor for offense at all. Sometimes, it would look like it, and he'd be like 6-8 from the field in the 1st Q. After that, he'd never touch the ball. So... on offense, our game hasn't changed at all pretty much.

Basically, it all hinges on Chandler's health is what I'm trying to get at.
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Default Re: Okafor for Chandler?

Steve Martin's blog FWIW (he is an employee):

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/blog_squad_0910.html

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Chandlerís health has been in question over the last year and a half, but heíll be ready to go for the Bobcats in 2009-10. A lingering toe injury nullified a trade between the Hornets and the Thunder at the trade deadline this past season. That was compounded by a nagging ankle sprain that sidelined him all but 45 games in 2008-09. Offseason corrective surgeries in both areas leave Chandler 100 percent ready to go at training camp with full flexibility in both areas.

Except for last year and one other season he's played almost all the games. 6 years outta 8 isn't bad. Mek really can't say much better.
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Default Re: Okafor for Chandler?

Maybe LB sees Chandler as more of a Ben Wallace type player. He rarely ran any offense to him and he did all the dirty work-rebounds, blocks, put backs. It would give others more shot opportunities
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We got size. Okafor was a PF we were forcing to play at Center. With Boris Diaw playing so well, its better for us to have 2 legitimate centers in Chandler and Diop rather than having Okafor and Diop.

Now, with this occurrence, we still have no backup power forward. Derrick Brown doesn't count. Vlad Rad is very movable at this point. Nazr isn't as much, but I don't see why we couldn't use him as a backup PF.
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We got size. Okafor was a PF we were forcing to play at Center. With Boris Diaw playing so well, its better for us to have 2 legitimate centers in Chandler and Diop rather than having Okafor and Diop.

Now, with this occurrence, we still have no backup power forward. Derrick Brown doesn't count. Vlad Rad is very movable at this point. Nazr isn't as much, but I don't see why we couldn't use him as a backup PF.

Maybe LB thinks ajinca is ready!

Doubtful... but I can dream, can't I
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We got size. Okafor was a PF we were forcing to play at Center. With Boris Diaw playing so well, its better for us to have 2 legitimate centers in Chandler and Diop rather than having Okafor and Diop.

Now, with this occurrence, we still have no backup power forward. Derrick Brown doesn't count. Vlad Rad is very movable at this point. Nazr isn't as much, but I don't see why we couldn't use him as a backup PF.

Exactly. We now have some flexibility to go small (Vlad/Brown) or big (Nazr) depending on the matchup. We can also go freakin huge which we've never been able to do before. Is Chandler the final piece to the puzzle? Of course not. But at least LB is getting what he's asking for.
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