Originally Posted by GOBB
Hardly a joke. Ike is a joke. The thing that seperates him from those others? Fans have established what those guys are. They accepted it. With Ike? There is some hope, blind faith he pans out. Every destination he has travelled (o count the ways) Ike is somehow a good pickup.
I know I know, Chris Paul is going to bring the best out of him.
Dude, you don't know wtf you are talking about. It's obvious you haven't watched that many hornet games if you think Ike belongs in the discussion of Marks, Armstrong, Ely, and Bowen. All of those players are scrubs with no talent. Ike has talent, and has showed it when he gets the ball and minutes.
Every stop he's been was on a team that never gave him the ball and minutes because of guys playing ahead of him. When he got the chance, he tore up Nene at the end of last season. Kings fans were wondering why Kenny Natt never played him, as Bobby Jackson said he was the best player on the team in their practices and worked hard.
Do you think Nelly ball is going to like a post scoring big off the bench? Do you think playing behind Harrington and O'neal in Indiana that he ever got much of a shot? What about Portland who never thought of him as one to contribute? It's not that he can't, it's that teams don't use him. When he does get minutes, he plays well. Do you know what his averages are when he plays at least 30 minutes?
20.7 PPG, 8.8 REB, FG% .576 in 9 games. That's damn near his all star teammate David West, and in less time with better efficiency. He's only played 30 minutes or more in 9 games, not because he's not good enough, but because in his short career, he's always played behind established bigs where he got little use, or on a team that doesn't use post scorers. Again, it's the situation, not a lack of talent. That might change because the hornets desperately need bench scorers, and relief from West's heavy burden all season long.
Has Bowen or Armstrong ever lead the pac 10 in scoring? Armstrong spent 4 years in a quality program in UCON, and he hasn't improved his game ONE BIT in his career. He's a scrub who can't do anything. Bowen's production comes at the hands of heart and effort, and not skill. If you think they are the same level of player, then it's obvious you don't know wtf you are talking about.