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Old 07-31-2009, 01:18 PM   #16
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I really do think anybody can play defense. No I don't think Sasha can guard Lebron. First of all they play different positions and there is a size difference. Secondly, there are a select few people in the league (Lebron, Kobe, Melo...) where it doesn't matter how good of a defender you are they are going to get theirs. Defense is something people actually have to care about. In the NBA a lot of guys just don't care. Also it's about watching video tape and knowing other players moves. It's no coincidence most rookies aren't very good defenders. It takes them a year or two to learn the game. They learn the spots they need to go to, other players tendencies, etc, etc. Point is, it is something that can be learned.

I wouldn't say Memphis is a poorly run franchise. For the size of their market I think they have been successful. In a place like that they need to have young inexpensive talent. They can't afford to go over the cap like LA. It's obvious why they traded Gasol... for the financial relief. I think it's hard for a player to make any roster in the league. Max there is only 450 players in the league at a time. I look at the Pistons this year and they will have 4 or 5 guys from the summer league team on their roster. Summer league is where young talent can prove they are ready. I think it's important to all teams, even the Lakers who will only have one guy from the team on the roster (Morrison).

I'm not giving him any credit in advance either. It's not like he wasn't a proven scorer in the past though. Which is why I'd like to see him be a nice spark off the bench. If he sucks, I'll definitely say so though. I just want to see what he can do when he's healthy either way. At least there's potential with him, which is cool because this team already has the talent to win. If another player comes up big that didn't before that only helps the chances of winning another title.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:22 PM   #17
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This is not a bash on Savu but let's take a look at his inconsistencies first: Sasha did have an off year shooting that concluded right through the playoffs, there was stretches the lakers needed some perimeter shots to go down instead sasha was shooting up bricks he just couldn't hit the side of a barn if he tried . Come to think of it after 5 full years in the league he still commits silly fouls during crutial moments so one has to wonder is he was worth the 5 mill per 3 years.

On the plus side sasha "the machine" does show flashes when he's on, he can shoot the lights out and give the team a boost with 3 or 4 consecutives 3's and this dude balls like a mutha i give him that. The one thing about Savu is that he always hustles and plays tenacious D, he just needs to recognize the team fouls and put his hands in his pockets in certain situations.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:40 PM   #18
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I think a lot of what he does can be accomplished by a rookie or 2nd year player that has a much cheaper contract. Defensively he is slightly better than a rookie would be. Not because he's smart necessarily though which is the worst part. He just really hustles and does show heart, which are two big things. Offensively, it's not too hard to find streaky outside shooters.

When I look at this Lakers team they are really solid obviously. The one thing I think that separates them from someone like the Bulls back in the day is having a great outside shooter (like Hodges, Kerr, or Paxson). Sasha just isn't that guy. Other than that this team is similiar to other dynasties. They have a very good PF, one of the games greatest players, a great defender, a good enough center, a very good contributor off the bench, and a few other guys on the bench who can fill in when they need to.

I think since outside shooting is the one thing that could be improved upon that is the reason people are getting their hopes up for Morrison. At this point we already know that person isn't Sasha. Although they play different positions the Lakers still need to have an outside threat (besides Kobe) at a some position to open up the floor. I hope that guy can be Morrison. Who knows at this point though. One thing that has been lucky for the Lakers is Fish has been a person who seems to hit clutch 3's. He's just not that constant outside threat.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:50 PM   #19
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I think a lot of what he does can be accomplished by a rookie or 2nd year player that has a much cheaper contract. Defensively he is slightly better than a rookie would be. Not because he's smart necessarily though which is the worst part. He just really hustles and does show heart, which are two big things. Offensively, it's not too hard to find streaky outside shooters.

When I look at this Lakers team they are really solid obviously. The one thing I think that separates them from someone like the Bulls back in the day is having a great outside shooter (like Hodges, Kerr, or Paxson). Sasha just isn't that guy. Other than that this team is similiar to other dynasties. They have a very good PF, one of the games greatest players, a great defender, a good enough center, a very good contributor off the bench, and a few other guys on the bench who can fill in when they need to.

I think since outside shooting is the one thing that could be improved upon that is the reason people are getting their hopes up for Morrison. At this point we already know that person isn't Sasha. Although they play different positions the Lakers still need to have an outside threat (besides Kobe) at a some position to open up the floor. I hope that guy can be Morrison. Who knows at this point though. One thing that has been lucky for the Lakers is Fish has been a person who seems to hit clutch 3's. He's just not that constant outside threat.



Vladamir Radmanovic?
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:59 PM   #20
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I thought about that, and Phil did use him to spread the floor, but his time here in LA just wasn't that productive. He wasn't that deadly shooter that he was previously. At least he was a threat though. I still wouldn't call him a specialist like a person like Steve Kerr.
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:54 AM   #21
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Boy all this Morrison talk....we need a Morrison discussion thread lol.

Realistically any contribution at all from Ammo is pure gravy. This is what the depth chart looks like moving forward:

PG: DFish, Farmar, Brown
SG: Kobe, Sasha
SF: Artest, Walton, Ammo?
PF: Pau, LO
C: Bynum, Pau

Even without Ammo in there its a 10 man rotation. It would be real tough to go more than 10 deep in a normal rotation. Artest can play some SG and LO could play SF and SG in small stretches, so even Sasha could be squeezed out if necessary.

Another great thing about this team is versatility. So many guys can play multiple positions so really the possibles are endless.

Like I said, I cant wait! SA, CLE, BOS all added big pieces without sacrificing much talant and Lakers pretty much stayed pat save the Artest for Ariza moves. Its going to be all at war at the top of the power polls all year long. 5 60 win teams? LAL, CLE, BOS, SA, ORL?
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:58 AM   #22
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:27 PM   #23
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Like I said, I cant wait! SA, CLE, BOS all added big pieces without sacrificing much talant and Lakers pretty much stayed pat save the Artest for Ariza moves. Its going to be all at war at the top of the power polls all year long. 5 60 win teams? LAL, CLE, BOS, SA, ORL?

I can't wait until next season either. It will be exciting to watch the top teams go at it.

(Gotta play devil's advocate for a moment though). Unfortunately, on the other hand we might see ~8+ teams with less than 30 wins and probably 15+ teams with less than 40 wins. The top teams in the East will be stronger, but the bottom teams will be even weaker. Same in the West. I do not know if I like the balance between the top teams and the bottom teams - might be the least balanced ever. ;/
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There definitely won't be as much parity in the league next year. If there was a year for a team to get close to 70 this year would be the likely one.
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amen, its nice being able to retire the re-sign odom thread.

It's celebration time b1tches
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I hate it when guys think basketball is only about offense.....so what if a guy scores 12 points if he gives up 24 at the other end.....how is that helping your team. If you think Morrison can play respectable defense at the NBA level you are sadly wrong. Sasha at least can stir things up on defense....despite some lapses...and slow his guy down.....Morrison....NO!

Morrison High 3pt% 34% Sasha last year 36%
FG% 36%.....................Sasha 39%
FT% 76%......................Sasha 92%

Morrison's career highs for steals, blocked shots, rebounding, steals are lower than Sasha despite Morrison averaging 29 minutes played first season to Sasha 17 mpg high. Sasha's assist to turnover ratio is also much better.
I'm in no way saying that Sasha is great....but Morrison is not better in any way. If you want to say they both suck, you'll get no argument from me.

Summer League stats are the most meaningless in all of the sports world.

I didn't mention defense for the respective parties because they both can't play defense. Sasha being a pesky defender doesn't make his defense solid at all; he has a tendency to commit dumb fouls which more then offsets his ability to defend better then Morrison can.

I was concentrating on what they can bring offensively to the team because they offer nothing defensively.

AM was a top college player because he had confidence, I think his shy personality is his weak point. In the NBA you need to have confidence or your game will deteriorate. There is no doubt in my mind that Morrison has more offensive skills then Sasha, it's just a matter of him re-gaining his confidence. I think LA is a perfect spot for him to regain that confidence because he has less pressure at his feet.
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I didn't mention defense for the respective parties because they both can't play defense. Sasha being a pesky defender doesn't make his defense solid at all; he has a tendency to commit dumb fouls which more then offsets his ability to defend better then Morrison can.

I was concentrating on what they can bring offensively to the team because they offer nothing defensively.

AM was a top college player because he had confidence, I think his shy personality is his weak point. In the NBA you need to have confidence or your game will deteriorate. There is no doubt in my mind that Morrison has more offensive skills then Sasha, it's just a matter of him re-gaining his confidence. I think LA is a perfect spot for him to regain that confidence because he has less pressure at his feet.

If I had a dime for every college star that was an NBA bust or didn't make it to the NBA I could OWN Donald Trump. He had his shot as a starter, he averaged over 29 minutes a game.....Sasha has never averaged more than 17
I showed you the stats which compare Morrison's best season against Sasha's worst season......and Sasha still wins. Sasha was playing with injuries most of last season, I expect better play this year. I really hope you are right and Morrison will be a solid contributor this season but I just don't see it.
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The Lakers are stacked. They don't even have to play their best basketball to win every night.

What's really scary for the rest of the league is that aside from Kobe and Gasol (and Odom.. sort of), the other guys had subpar seasons. If anyone else steps up this season it'll be nearly impossible to them.
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Boy all this Morrison talk....we need a Morrison discussion thread lol.

Realistically any contribution at all from Ammo is pure gravy. This is what the depth chart looks like moving forward:

PG: DFish, Farmar, Brown
SG: Kobe, Sasha
SF: Artest, Walton, Ammo?
PF: Pau, LO
C: Bynum, Pau

Even without Ammo in there its a 10 man rotation. It would be real tough to go more than 10 deep in a normal rotation. Artest can play some SG and LO could play SF and SG in small stretches, so even Sasha could be squeezed out if necessary.

Another great thing about this team is versatility. So many guys can play multiple positions so really the possibles are endless.

Like I said, I cant wait! SA, CLE, BOS all added big pieces without sacrificing much talant and Lakers pretty much stayed pat save the Artest for Ariza moves. Its going to be all at war at the top of the power polls all year long. 5 60 win teams? LAL, CLE, BOS, SA, ORL?

I also think we will have some competition for PT.
I think Farmar, Brown and Sasha will have to compete for PT.
Also, Ammo might push Luke a bit for minutes behind Artest. Same Sasha, who could increase hit PT if he comes back back strong, at Luke's expense. Remember the Lakers used to play a lot with Kobe sliding up to the 3 and Sasha at SG, so that is a posibility as well.
Bynum and LO will be competing for PT as well.
We are very deep and very versital, and I believe the favorites to repeat, but it will be tough, as all the teams you mentioned have improved.

I'd add Denver to the list of potential 60 win teams.
They are rock solid. Melo is a bona fide superstar, and Billups just pulls it all together for them. They are also big, tough and strong.
And I think Portland makes a strong push with Miller at the PG for them, he gives them experience they lacked formerly.
It will be tough in the Western Conf, as there are so many good teams yet again. I think the Mavs improved by getting Marion too, not saying they scare me, just that they improved. Same with the Hornets, Okafer is as good as Chandler defensively, but much better offensively.
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The Lakers are stacked. They don't even have to play their best basketball to win every night.

What's really scary for the rest of the league is that aside from Kobe and Gasol (and Odom.. sort of), the other guys had subpar seasons. If anyone else steps up this season it'll be nearly impossible to them.
indeed. if farmar and sasha play like they did pre-injury then its gonna be a long season for the rest of the league
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