For the 15 games before his first injury he averaged 18ppg/12rpg/2.5 blk on 65% shooting as a 3rd option.
For the 11 games before his second injury, he averaged 22ppg/10rpg/2.5 blk on well over 60% shooting as a 3rd option.
2nd youngest center behind only Shaq to have a 40+/15+ game.
This kid has only played ball since his junior or senior year in HS, has dealt with 2 major injuries, is only 21, and you guys expect him to jump onto the scene ala Shaq. Wait and see. Give him a full, healthy season and enjoy the show.
Wow, it's just amazing how petty you guys can become. That's why it's hard to agree with Laker fans. 11 games? 15 games? Seriously that's your sample of how good he will become?
Should I got back to the '07-'08 season and bring up some 11 game gamelogs of how Kaman was putting up 17/12/2.5? Would that somehow prove how good of potential he has when fully healthy? (which you can easily argue he hasn't been the pas 2 yrs)
Anyway... I'm done with that dispute, because I've had it numerous times on this board... this is all I want to know, and nobody seems to want to answer my question or give me the answer I'm looking for:
What happens when Bynum is healthy for 75+ games in a season? Do you chalk up his reduced numbers to a reduced role (the easy escape route)? or what? I just hear so much hype but not alot of definite answers.
It's always a statement followed by an escape route. He can average... "if healthy". He'd do .... "if he wasn't playing with Kobe & Gasol". He'd be alot more effective on defense & ..... "if he was getting more touches". That's why people dislike the "Bynum hype".
lol, its not just exclusive to those guys, some of you are exaggerating THAT point to the fullest.
There have been others capable of hitting the 20+ 10+ rebound club.
Here's a list of players that have had at least one season of 22+ pts/game, 12 rebounds/game and 2+ blocks/game in the NBA:
Jeff Ruland
Truck Robinson
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwan
Shaquille O'neal
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Bob Lanier
Spencer Haywood
Elvin Hayes
Artis Gilmore
Kevin Garnett
Patrick Ewing
Tim Duncan
Charles Barkley
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
It's happened a total of 55 times, 34 of which came from players who are currently in the Hall of Fame. Keep in mind, those 34 don't include players like Duncan, Garnett, Karl Malone etc. that are LOCKS to make the hall, but aren't in yet. Also, this list isn't quite accurate since blocks weren't counted until the '74-'75 I believe, so Wilt isn't included here amongst others.
Here's a list of players that have ever had a season average of 25+ points and 10+ rebounds/game:
George Yardley
Chris Webber
Bob Rule (only played 4 games that season)
David Robinson
Oscar Robinson
Bob Pettit
Hakeem Olajuwan
Shaquille O'neal
Willie Naulls
George Mikan
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Bob Lanier
Spencer Haywood
Elvin Hayes
Patrick Ewing
Tim Duncan
Billy Cunningham
Wilt Chamerlain
Larry Bird
Walt Bellamy
Elgin Baylor
Rick Barry
Charles Barkley
Paul Arzin
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
This has happened 99 times, 74 of which came from players currently in the Hall of Fame. Again, this isn't including players who will be in the hall but aren't eligible yet (Duncan, Karl Malone etc).
And just to clarify, I don't think people are really attacking Bynum as a 20/10 payer. That's possible. But, there's a big difference between being a 20/10 player (like say ZBO and Boozer) and a 22/12/2 guy or a 25/10 guy. BIG difference.
As you can see, it's pretty elite company to hit stats like some are predicting Bynum to have. Is it possible? Sure. Just not very likely. 18/10 seems more likely, with a block and a half.
It's still a little early to see what type of center he's really going to be - he's showed good offensive potential, but he doesn't seem to care as much on D. Initially though, it was the other way around - he seemed to show more on D. I'd imagine he'll be a more offensively oriented C, but we should get a better idea this year and next.
Here's a list of players that have had at least one season of 22+ pts/game, 12 rebounds/game and 2+ blocks/game in the NBA:
Jeff Ruland
Truck Robinson
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwan
Shaquille O'neal
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Bob Lanier
Spencer Haywood
Elvin Hayes
Artis Gilmore
Kevin Garnett
Patrick Ewing
Tim Duncan
Charles Barkley
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
It's happened a total of 55 times, 34 of which came from players who are currently in the Hall of Fame. Keep in mind, those 34 don't include players like Duncan, Garnett, Karl Malone etc. that are LOCKS to make the hall, but aren't in yet. Also, this list isn't quite accurate since blocks weren't counted until the '74-'75 I believe, so Wilt isn't included here amongst others.
Here's a list of players that have ever had a season average of 25+ points and 10+ rebounds/game:
George Yardley
Chris Webber
Bob Rule (only played 4 games that season)
David Robinson
Oscar Robinson
Bob Pettit
Hakeem Olajuwan
Shaquille O'neal
Willie Naulls
George Mikan
Bob McAdoo
Moses Malone
Karl Malone
Bob Lanier
Spencer Haywood
Elvin Hayes
Patrick Ewing
Tim Duncan
Billy Cunningham
Wilt Chamerlain
Larry Bird
Walt Bellamy
Elgin Baylor
Rick Barry
Charles Barkley
Paul Arzin
Kareem Abdul Jabaar
This has happened 99 times, 74 of which came from players currently in the Hall of Fame. Again, this isn't including players who will be in the hall but aren't eligible yet (Duncan, Karl Malone etc).
And just to clarify, I don't think people are really attacking Bynum as a 20/10 payer. That's possible. But, there's a big difference between being a 20/10 player (like say ZBO and Boozer) and a 22/12/2 guy or a 25/10 guy. BIG difference.
As you can see, it's pretty elite company to hit stats like some are predicting Bynum to have. Is it possible? Sure. Just not very likely. 18/10 seems more likely, with a block and a half.
It's still a little early to see what type of center he's really going to be - he's showed good offensive potential, but he doesn't seem to care as much on D. Initially though, it was the other way around - he seemed to show more on D. I'd imagine he'll be a more offensively oriented C, but we should get a better idea this year and next.
20-10 isn't that exclusive. If boozer and ZBo can do it regularly, Bynum can do it for one season. Plus per 36 minutes in 08, Bynum average 17-13-2.5, so hes already not that far off. I really hate defending Bynum, because at this point he is an over rated piece of junk, but people are really over looking his potential. Plus if you take of the 2 blocks, you get some really random players most people haven't heard of doing 22-12, Like truck Robinson.
20-10 isn't that exclusive. If boozer and ZBo can do it regularly, Bynum can do it for one season. Plus per 36 minutes in 08, Bynum average 17-13-2.5, so hes already not that far off. I really hate defending Bynum, because at this point he is an over rated piece of junk, but people are really over looking his potential. Plus if you take of the 2 blocks, you get some really random players most people haven't heard of doing 22-12, Like truck Robinson.
Hmmm...
Like I already said, I think he could do 20-10, I just don't think it's likely. He's not going to put up 20 and 10 while Kobe and Gasol are both around, and who knows if he'll develop into a first option mentality these next few years playing as a 3rd/4th option and actually be able to put those numbers when/if they put the franchise on his shoulders. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Time will tell. I think 18/10 is a good guess as to what he can do
And per 36 numbers are pretty much garbage when you're looking at a guy like Bynum who hasn't proven he has the ability to stay on the court for 36 minutes.
Like I already said, I think he could do 20-10, I just don't think it's likely. He's not going to put up 20 and 10 while Kobe and Gasol are both around, and who knows if he'll develop into a first option mentality these next few years playing as a 3rd/4th option and actually be able to put those numbers when/if they put the franchise on his shoulders. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Time will tell. I think 18/10 is a good guess as to what he can do
And per 36 numbers are pretty much garbage when you're looking at a guy like Bynum who hasn't proven he has the ability to stay on the court for 36 minutes.
Thats true, But I'm just sayin, If he could stay on the court for more than three minutes at a time, and once Kobe or Pau leaves He'll pretty much no doubt be the first option. So, it looks like an easy 20-10 to me, even in his current state if Pau and kobe leave. Just because there is no other offensive option.
I think bynum will have a career of 14/10... people might look at those numbers and not take it seriously and expect higher numbers but i believe my prediction is quite likely. He has had stretches but not a full season of solid numbers and by his playoff performance, anybody who argues Bynum to be a 20/10 player with reasons other than speculation is just silly.
now can be blow up and be something big? it's impossible and it happens but i doubt it. A lot of people will keep waiting for his potential to reach but i believe he will go through years of mediocrity before people realize he's solid and nothing more. I know, it's a lot im predicting but just like anybody who believes he will be a great center, i just happen to have my prediction at the opposite end of the spectrum. From what I have seem, this is what i predict.
I think bynum will have a career of 14/10... people might look at those numbers and not take it seriously and expect higher numbers but i believe my prediction is quite likely. He has had stretches but not a full season of solid numbers and by his playoff performance, anybody who argues Bynum to be a 20/10 player with reasons other than speculation is just silly.
now can be blow up and be something big? it's impossible and it happens but i doubt it. A lot of people will keep waiting for his potential to reach but i believe he will go through years of mediocrity before people realize he's solid and nothing more. I know, it's a lot im predicting but just like anybody who believes he will be a great center, i just happen to have my prediction at the opposite end of the spectrum. From what I have seem, this is what i predict.
Well, hopefully Bynum can stay healthy next season. I'd love to see what he brings to the table for 82 games + a long playoff run.
Re: Seriously, how good can Andrew Bynum become?
