Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > Fantasy Basketball Forum

Fantasy Basketball Forum Fantasy basketball message board - fantasy basketball forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-19-2006, 12:02 AM   #16
thejoyofsobe
Local High School Star
 
thejoyofsobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,078
Default

1. Kevin Garnett
his assists and the number of FT he takes at 81% give him slight edge over Marion

2. Shawn Marion
his stats and healthiness speaks for itself

3. Gilbert Arenas
Post AS break: 47% FG, 11 FT attempts at 82%, 3 3PTM, 31 PTS, 6 AST, 2.5 STL

4. Lebron James
Outstanding but is going to hurt your FT%

5. Dirk Nowitzki
working like a dog on his perimeter shooting in offseason

6. Kobe Bryant
this is probably an overreaction, but Kobe's talking about playing "team basketball" like in the Phoenix series. With the exception of that 50 point game, he averaged only 18 shots per game and 24 points. His assist totals were a pleasant surprise though.

7. Elton Brand
Coming off of the best season of his career. Has seven games in the final week of the H2H playoffs

8. Allen Iverson
Who else is going to score in Philly. Coming off one of his best statistical seasons

9. Steve Nash
Who else willl get you a stat line like this:
51% FG, 91% FT, 2 3PTM, 19 PTS, and 10.5 AST

10. Yao Ming
APRIL AVERAGES: 26.6 PTS, 12 REB and 1.9BLK

Honorable Mention:
Dwayne Wade-mystery pain has me worried

Chris Bosh-only excluded because Yao's performance was crazy.

Paul Pierce-great numbers and great health. You're my 11 or 12 this year. If he got a FT% above 80% and I'd replace Iverson with him.




EDIT: Do not listen to the morons at Yahoo who want to rank Chris Paul #9.
Nash > Kidd > Billups > Paul
thejoyofsobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:13 AM   #17
bigboi_baller
NBA rookie of the year
 
bigboi_baller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cold side of the pillow
Posts: 5,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Big Boi

You have Yao at 7th

Yet u picked him 4th in the draft...


BIG waste...
I swear to God, i did that to see how long it would take you to notice. Lol and you caught on surprisingly quick. Ups to you for being awake, glove
bigboi_baller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:27 AM   #18
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Pierce shoots 77% from the line...Thats near 80%...


I still can't see why Pierce is soo low...

27ppg
7rpg
5apg
1.4 3pg
1.4 spg
0.5 bpg
77% FT
47% FG
Healthy

How many can give All-Around numbers like that...


And Chris Paul has got a lot of potential...Check out how 2nd year players improve (Wade, LeBron)

He should put up

18ppg
6rpg
9apg
2.4spg
and a high FT%


Very good...
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:28 AM   #19
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboi_baller
I swear to God, i did that to see how long it would take you to notice. Lol and you caught on surprisingly quick. Ups to you for being awake, glove
Sure...

Nice excuse...
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:38 AM   #20
bigboi_baller
NBA rookie of the year
 
bigboi_baller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cold side of the pillow
Posts: 5,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Sure...

Nice excuse...
If i wante to lie, i could have just edited the post.....
bigboi_baller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:42 AM   #21
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboi_baller
If i wante to lie, i could have just edited the post.....
And I would've known u edited the post so that wouldn't have worked...

But can someone explain to me how Pierce possible isn't top 10
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:48 AM   #22
bigboi_baller
NBA rookie of the year
 
bigboi_baller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cold side of the pillow
Posts: 5,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
And I would've known u edited the post so that wouldn't have worked...

But can someone explain to me how Pierce possible isn't top 10
good point
bigboi_baller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 01:55 AM   #23
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Now can someone tell me...

How

Paul Pierce
27ppg
7rpg
5apg
1.4 3pg
1.4 spg
0.5 bpg
77% FT
47% FG
Healthy


Isn't a automatic Top 10?


Lets see what Wade did last year

27ppg
6rpg
7apg
0.2 3pg
2.0spg
0.8bpg
78%
49%
Less Healthy
More TOs


That is nearly even...With the little advantage going to Pierce if you look at the stats only...Though Wade has more potential, Pierce should be considered...at least top 10

Last edited by Glove_20 : 10-19-2006 at 02:06 AM.
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 03:33 AM   #24
hateraid
Is it in you?
 
hateraid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In your local 7-11 freezers
Posts: 15,191
Default

Lebron
Marion
Garnett
Dirk
Kobe
Arenas
Brand
AK (barring any injuries)
Peirce
Wade

Rounding out: AI, Allen, Nash, Yao
hateraid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 09:42 AM   #25
thejoyofsobe
Local High School Star
 
thejoyofsobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Pierce shoots 77% from the line...Thats near 80%...


I still can't see why Pierce is soo low...

27ppg
7rpg
5apg
1.4 3pg
1.4 spg
0.5 bpg
77% FT
47% FG
Healthy

How many can give All-Around numbers like that...


And Chris Paul has got a lot of potential...Check out how 2nd year players improve (Wade, LeBron)

He should put up

18ppg
6rpg
9apg
2.4spg
and a high FT%


Very good...
Not many can contribute as much as Pierce, but a 77% FT isn't going to help my team. In head to head leagues, I usually finish the week with a team FT% around 77-78%. With the number of free throws Paul Pierce attempts, he's actually pushing me towards mediocrity than improving my team in that department.

Oh and as far a Chris Paul goes, his steals and assists are nice but the man can't shoot threes. How does a point guard who doesn't shoot threes have such a crappy FG%?
Quite frankly, if I'm going to accept a such a crappy FG% with my first round pick, he had better be at least getting me 1.5 per game. As long as Jason Kidd is getting his 1.7 threes and 2 steals to go with his shooting in the low .40s I'll take him over Paul. With that same reasoning, I'll take a guy like Chauncey Billups who'll get me 2.5 threes, 20 points and 8.5 assists with a crazy low turnover ratio while he's shooting 6.5 free throws a game at 90% over Chris Paul as well. After Billups, there is no point guard I would rather have than Chris Paul, but I'm not going to use a first round pick on him.
thejoyofsobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 12:41 PM   #26
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Billups doesn't provide steals like Paul

And like I said...Paul has potential...Though I'd say he is like the 11-13 best player...


So because Pierce shoots 77%, he is not good enough?
Wade shoots 78%...

Look at my comparsision of the 2...

Pierce has edge...

I can't believe u r taking Pierce off top 10 cuz he shoots 77% from the line...
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 01:10 PM   #27
vapid
Paranoid Android
 
vapid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: London/California/Asia
Posts: 6,107
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Billups doesn't provide steals like Paul

And like I said...Paul has potential...Though I'd say he is like the 11-13 best player...


So because Pierce shoots 77%, he is not good enough?
Wade shoots 78%...

Look at my comparsision of the 2...

Pierce has edge...

I can't believe u r taking Pierce off top 10 cuz he shoots 77% from the line...

Pierce also is getting older. I know people like Iverson prove critics wrong by posting better stats every season, but you have to acknowledge that having better fantasy seasons after 30 is hard. Also, there are always rumours of him being traded, which is a risky factor.

However, I believe that Chris Paul is tied for the second best fantasy pg with nash.
vapid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 01:18 PM   #28
thejoyofsobe
Local High School Star
 
thejoyofsobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glove_20
Billups doesn't provide steals like Paul

And like I said...Paul has potential...Though I'd say he is like the 11-13 best player...


So because Pierce shoots 77%, he is not good enough?
Wade shoots 78%...

Look at my comparsision of the 2...

Pierce has edge...

I can't believe u r taking Pierce off top 10 cuz he shoots 77% from the line...
you'll notice that i didn't include Wade in my top ten also. and it's not just for his injury. If Wade improved his three pointers made to 1.3-1.5 then he would be there.

Yeah, Billups (0.9) doesn't steal like Paul (2.2), but Paul (0.6) doesn't shoot like Billups (2.3). If we knock off those two categories then they matchup like this.

Chris Paul
Games: 78
FG%: 0.43 (Wins by one percent)
FT%: 0.847
PTS: 16.1
REB: 5.1
AST: 7.1
TO: 2.4
BLK: 0.1

Chauncey Billups
Games: 81 (Has had very healthy seasons for the past six years. Not enough seasons to make judgement about Paul)
FG%: 0.42
FT%: 0.894 (Averages 0.3 more attempts at shoots at a much higher percentage)
PTS: 18.5
AST: 8.6
TO: 2.1

BLK: 0.1



Then you'll say, "Ah, what about second year improvement?"
Then I'll say, "Ah, what about sophmore slumps?"
Then you'll say, "They've got Peja now so Paul's assists will go up."
Then I'll say, "But Paul's scoring might decrease with less offensive pressure on him and using that reasoning so will Chauncey Billups' now that that Ben Wallace is gone so Flip can get his offense going. Furthermore, the addition of rebounders like Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic to the starting lineup might mean a decrease in Paul's rebounds."
Then I'll just say, "Paul hasn't gotten a chance to rest in the offseason. He came out of college, played a full NBA season, had month off, practiced for the World Championships and played decent minutes in it. And now his backup Bobby Jackson is no more of a glorified shooting guard than a point guard so they'll rely more heavily on him. How can he not be worn down by the end of the season when the fantasy playoffs are held?"

Then this conversation will go in circles until we both agree to disagree and neither one of us is persuaded to change opinions.

Last edited by thejoyofsobe : 10-19-2006 at 02:43 PM.
thejoyofsobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 01:36 PM   #29
thejoyofsobe
Local High School Star
 
thejoyofsobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vapid
However, I believe that Chris Paul is tied for the second best fantasy pg with nash.
maybe next season, but not this season.
thejoyofsobe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2006, 02:04 PM   #30
Glove_20
The Expert
 
Glove_20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,438
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thejoyofsobe
you'll notice that i didn't include Wade in my top ten also. and it's not just for his injury. If Wade improved his three pointers made to 1.3-1.5 then he would be there.

Yeah, Billups (0.9) doesn't steal like Paul (2.2), but Paul (0.6) doesn't shoot like Billups (2.3). If we knock off those two categories then they matchup like this.

Chris Paul
Games: 78
FG%: 0.43 (Wins by one percent)
FT%: 0.847
PTS: 16.1
REB: 5.1
AST: 7.1
TO: 2.4
BLK: 0.1

Chauncey Billups
Games: 81 (Has had very healthy seasons for the past six years. Not enough seasons to make judgement about Paul)
FG%: 0.42
FT%: 0.894 (Averages 0.3 more attempts at shoots at a much higher percentage)
PTS: 18.5
AST: 8.6
TO: 2.1

BLK: 0.1



Then you'll say, "Ah, what about second year improvement?"
Then I'll say, "Ah, what about sophmore slumps?"
Then you'll say, "They've got Peja now so Paul's assists will go up."
Then I'll say, "But Paul's scoring might decrease with less offensive pressure on him and using that reasoning so will Chauncey Billups' now that that Ben Wallace is gone so Flip can get his offense going. Furthermore, the addition of rebounders like Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic to the starting lineup might mean a decrease in Paul's rebounds."
Then I'll just say, "Paul hasn't gotten a chance to rest in the offseason. He came out of college, played a full NBA season, had month off, practiced for the World Championships and played decent minutes in it. And now his backup Bobby Jackson is more of a glorified shooting guard than a point guard so they'll rely more heavily on him. How can he not be worn down by the end of the season when the fantasy playoffs are held?"

Then this conversation will go in circles until we both agree to disagree and neither one of us is persuaded to change opinions.
There are some errors in that...

1st of all, Peja improves Paul's asissts WAY more than what impact Nazr can have...

TOs they are nearly even, FT% they are close, points too Paul should be higher,

I am going by probablilty, he has more % of doing much better than doing worse...

So based on that, his points, rebounds, and assists + FG% should go up...
Glove_20 is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:55 PM.




NBA BASKETBALL FORUM KEY LINKS:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
Search Site

FOLLOW US
Twitter
Facebook


















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy