great list.. idk if i would have Rodman at PF either.
I like Horace Grant because he is more of a 2 way player. Rodman is a much better rebounder and slighly better defender but has glaring weaknesses in offense, no inside moves and horrible FT shooter.
what amazes is no one has a problem with the selection of Kirk over Rose. Don't get me wrong bec I love Kirk but he is not the best pt guard that the Bulls ever had, his FG% career is just too low, in FOUR out of his 6 yrs in the league he shot UNDER 42%! He only shot above 44% only ONCE.That is way too low IMO. On the other hand, Rose shot 47.5% right on his first year.
here is some of their comparison.
Kirks2008-09 Statistics
PPG 9.9
RPG 2.4
APG 3.9
SPG 1.3
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.437
FT% 0.791
3P% 0.408
MPG 26.3
Rose's stat line on the other hand is
PPG 16.8
RPG 3.9
APG 6.3
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.475
FT% 0.788
3P% 0.222
MPG 37.0
We'll to be honest, i didnt think "why didnt he pick rose?" right away, i thought "why didn't he pick paxon?" Although, yeah, Derrick may be the best PG the Bulls ever had, he hasn't played 2 years. He just finished his rookie year. Having That into consideration, me too, id pick Captain Kirk.
I like Horace Grant because he is more of a 2 way player. Rodman is a much better rebounder and slighly better defender but has glaring weaknesses in offense, no inside moves and horrible FT shooter.
what amazes is no one has a problem with the selection of Kirk over Rose. Don't get me wrong bec I love Kirk but he is not the best pt guard that the Bulls ever had, his FG% career is just too low, in FOUR out of his 6 yrs in the league he shot UNDER 42%! He only shot above 44% only ONCE.That is way too low IMO. On the other hand, Rose shot 47.5% right on his first year.
here is some of their comparison.
Kirks2008-09 Statistics
PPG 9.9
RPG 2.4
APG 3.9
SPG 1.3
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.437
FT% 0.791
3P% 0.408
MPG 26.3
Rose's stat line on the other hand is
PPG 16.8
RPG 3.9
APG 6.3
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.475
FT% 0.788
3P% 0.222
MPG 37.0
Kirk is better at running an offense than Rose is right now.
Rose is more flashy and can fill it up, but I'd use him as a sparkplug off the bench, plus Kirk is a better defender than Rose.
But, that's a great headache to have, Hinrich, Van Lier, Rose at point. You also have to put Paxson and BJ on the list too, and Bill Cartwright.
My team would be
Artis Gilmore
Horace Grant
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Kirk Hinrich
Bench
Bill Cartwright
Charles Oakley
Toni Kukoc
Jerry Sloan
Derrick Rose
Orlando Woolridge
Bob Love
Chet Walker
Ron Harper
Norm Van Lier
John Paxson
Steve Kerr
BJ Armstrong
Kirk is better at running an offense than Rose is right now.
Rose is more flashy and can fill it up, but I'd use him as a sparkplug off the bench, plus Kirk is a better defender than Rose.
But, that's a great headache to have, Hinrich, Van Lier, Rose at point. You also have to put Paxson and BJ on the list too, and Bill Cartwright.
My team would be
Artis Gilmore
Horace Grant
Scottie Pippen
Michael Jordan
Kirk Hinrich
Bench
Bill Cartwright
Charles Oakley
Toni Kukoc
Jerry Sloan
Derrick Rose
Orlando Woolridge
Bob Love
Chet Walker
Ron Harper
Norm Van Lier
John Paxson
Steve Kerr
BJ Armstrong
Coach
Phil Jackson & Johnny "Red" Kerr
You'd bring Rose off the bench? On this imaginary team or in real life? I dont care how long Rose has been in Chi, hes already done more for this team in one year than Hinrich has in six. So either way, hes the starter. And Rodman is the greatest rebounder ever next to Russell, Horace and his goggles are coming off the bench, who would honestly take Horace Grant over Rodman, is this bizarro world
You'd bring Rose off the bench? On this imaginary team or in real life? I dont care how long Rose has been in Chi, hes already done more for this team in one year than Hinrich has in six. So either way, hes the starter. And Rodman is the greatest rebounder ever next to Russell, Horace and his goggles are coming off the bench, who would honestly take Horace Grant over Rodman, is this bizarro world
We really have to look at what is the major idea/category here. Is it the best Bulls at each position or we look and imagine who they will MESH together. If it's the latter, then yes, i can see Kirk playing with MJ etc, playing great defense etc...still his low 42% from the field just bothers me esp if MJ gets double teamed...
If it's the former, as in talent and contributions WITHOUT citing other intangibles like leadership, locker room traits etc, Rose has got to be the best pt guard over Kirk, just my opinion.
i dont know how well jordan and rose would mesh. they both need the ball in their hands, well... jordan wanted it. he could be a traditional sg, but he usually handled the ball.
I know he wasn't there long, but he won 3 titles as a Bull...
you have to be on a team a minimum of 4 seasons to be selected in an all-time roster, unless extreme circumstances were apparent (eg. being the best player in the nba for 3 seasons)
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what amazes is no one has a problem with the selection of Kirk over Rose.
rose has only played 1 season
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Oh, and by the way, no love for oakley?
oakley unfortunately played only 3 seasons with chicago
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My team would be
you just listed 18 players. a team usually consists of 15 players, with 12 on the active roster.
you have to be on a team a minimum of 4 seasons to be selected in an all-time roster, unless extreme circumstances were apparent (eg. being the best player in the nba for 3 seasons)
rose has only played 1 season
oakley unfortunately played only 3 seasons with chicago
you just listed 18 players. a team usually consists of 15 players, with 12 on the active roster.
Yes I did, I couldn't leave Pax and BJ, and Kerr off the squad.
As far as bringing Rose off of the bench, yes I would, because him and MJ wouldn't work on the court together.
Kirk can run the floor, so can Scottie, but Kirk is a decent spot up shooter and a tough defender, exactly what the bulls would need.
Rose would come in with the second unit where Kukoc can run the offense and Rose could shine.
I agree, Brand even in his Bull years would be a compeditive upgrade over Horace Grant.
Also, the word "team" comes to mind, you do need some specialists. Steve Kerr or BJ Armstrong could pop 3's like madmen, and BJ was pretty good on D in the 94 season. Kukoc was always icing on the cake, and should be on this team, heck... Nocioni would be a great fit too.
I wonder if Rose's assist total, even as a rookie would turn into some astronomical number.
The Official All-Time Chicago Bulls Roster
