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Old 08-15-2009, 12:06 PM   #16
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Yes the full season is the one where hes played 70 games, yes to get to 82 games clearly ment you played 70.

Since you want to be dumb check it out youself

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_...eer_stats.html

From in the past 7 season 02-09 he's only had 1 season where he's played 70 games or more( Thats the 82 one). Please get your facts straight.

Thats pathetic I don't think any other "Top Pg" has a track record like that.
Ok your point is?
Davis is a better player bottom line just because he's always hurt doesn't mean he's worse I don't recall one season where Harris has played every game? Terrible track record for a young PG he sure has a bright future.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:11 PM   #17
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Ok your point is?
Davis is a better player bottom line just because he's always hurt doesn't mean he's worse I don't recall one season where Harris has played every game? Terrible track record for a young PG he sure has a bright future.

Davis is too inconsistent and coming off a season where he was definitely not as good as Devin Harris. If Davis returns to form, I agree he is a much more complete and dangerous player then Harris. I also agree with the genreral notion that Harris is becoming a bit overrated, but you have to see the importance of Davis' lack of durability and consistency and what it lowers his value despite his ability.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:18 PM   #18
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Davis is too inconsistent and coming off a season where he was definitely not as good as Devin Harris. If Davis returns to form, I agree he is a much more complete and dangerous player then Harris. I also agree with the genreral notion that Harris is becoming a bit overrated, but you have to see the importance of Davis' lack of durability and consistency and what it lowers his value despite his ability.
I understand that but last season with Clippers was his lowest scoring since his sophmore and rookie years other than that he has been a 17 PPG + scorer and 7-8 APG playmaker.

I can see how his durability might affect others opinion on how good he is but I just think that even with all those years of injuries and inconsistency he is still better player than Harris.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:25 PM   #19
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Default Re: Why is Harris considered a top PG?

What good is being called on the best in the game if your not healthy enough to play the game?

Baron is way too injury prone to be on the list.

Back to the topic. I really wanna see what Harris does now that he doesn't have Vince to pass to.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:25 PM   #20
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If we're just ignoring peoples injuries how bout we bring Gilbert Arenas in this thread then
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:42 PM   #21
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If we're just ignoring peoples injuries how bout we bring Gilbert Arenas in this thread then
Gilbert Arenas > Devin Harris
If you think otherwise you're delusional

Anyway going by your logic Rondo is the best point guard in the league? lol

Chris Paul and Deron Williams missed so many games they cannot be considered as top PGs in the league

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Old 08-15-2009, 12:45 PM   #22
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Gilbert Arenas > Devin Harris
If you think otherwise you're delusional

Anyway going by your logic Rondo is the best point guard in the league? lol

No not at all actually . I'm just saying you can't call someone a top pg when they've been injured or recovering from injuries for how long.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:48 PM   #23
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No not at all actually . I'm just saying you can't call someone a top pg when they've been injured or recovering from injuries for how long.
Well IMO they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:55 PM   #24
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Gilbert Arenas > Devin Harris
If you think otherwise you're delusional

Anyway going by your logic Rondo is the best point guard in the league? lol

Chris Paul and Deron Williams missed so many games they cannot be considered as top PGs in the league

Some might call Rondo a top 10.

Arenas has missed too many games over the last few years to be in a top anything but "injured" list.

Yes he has the skill to be there, he just isn't on the court enough.
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Old 08-15-2009, 12:57 PM   #25
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Well IMO they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I thought we stopped giving that to players after T-mac?
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:38 PM   #26
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He's a bit overrated, but he really is capable of doing anything on the court. He can pass, defend, score, shoot, rebound, etc..... His closest thing to a weakness would probably be his shooting though, see 3 point percentages for more......However, he did produce huge scoring numbers for the team though and I guess not only are people in love with that but they are in love with the fact that he was once a blue collar like role player that could do anything on the court. It's like they just unleashed him and let his game set free.

He's a bit overrated, but he's a helluva player, he was a great pick up for my Fantasy team.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:56 PM   #27
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Who is it that exactly considers Harris a top PG? I mean other than himself considering himself to be top 5, who else considers him top? I may have missed it but I don't see many people considering him top. Top what? 5? 10? 15?
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Old 08-20-2009, 10:09 PM   #28
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You named 7 of 30 starting point guards in the league. That's pretty much the top 25% of the league. You don't think Harris is in that category? I don't get your point at all.

If you were tiering it like Deron, Paul, Nash as your top 3 you may have another point, but being in the top 3rd in your position isn't that awful at all when you think about it.

If you're talking about the top 10 SGs in the league, you'd see a name like Michael Redd being lumped a few spaces down from Kobe. How is that much different than Harris being a few slots down from Paul?

Outside of your bias and all.

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Old 08-20-2009, 10:48 PM   #29
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Who is it that exactly considers Harris a top PG? I mean other than himself considering himself to be top 5, who else considers him top? I may have missed it but I don't see many people considering him top. Top what? 5? 10? 15?
me of course.

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Look at what he has done... had few high scoring games and he runs fast... really does that put you in the same category as the likes of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Baron Davis, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups?

I don't think so. He has to be the most overrated point guard in the league after last season.
Hmm... another one of the "I only look at stats" posters...

He is better than Davis, no question about that.

Devin gets to the line virtually at will. double digits at FT attempts per game... and he makes both at about 80% or so. He is quick and gets to the rim at will. since his assists are lower than some of the better PG's people dont think he passes...

Guess what? Thats not true... in order for a win we needed him to score. It was him and VC... Brook on ocassions...

If you actually watched games you would see how he got teammates involved. with the "drive and kick". simmons shot the 2nd best 3pt % in the League, Hayes had a career season(earned him the starting spot" VC shot around 40%... He set up Lopez perfectly with Bigmen switching off to Devin(after devin blows by slower PG's like Kidd and Davis.)
Even Keyon had a career year beyond the arc.
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Harris is a worse shooting and worse passing version of Gilbert Arenas.
LOL, they are completely different players.
Keep lookin' at those stats man!

Tip:Watch before you judge.

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Old 08-20-2009, 10:52 PM   #30
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me of course.


More specifically, who outside of Nets fans? He considers himself tops but of course he should consider himself tops. If you don't believe in yourself, who will?
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