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Old 11-13-2014, 12:08 PM   #1
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Arrow Grinder's Big Board and NBA Draft Prospect Watch 2015

With the college basketball season tipping off tomorrow, I figured it was time to open this year's edition of the thread. I won't update nearly as often as last year but I'll still watch my fair share of college hoops. Here's last year's thread.

Big board:
  1. Jahlil Okafor (Duke)
  2. Karl Towns (Kentucky)
  3. Justise Winslow (Duke)
  4. Emmanuel Mudiay (Guangdong)
  5. Stanley Johnson (Arizona)
  6. Montrezl Harrell (Louisville)
  7. Myler Turner (Texas)
  8. Kristaps Porzingis (Sevilla)
  9. Willie Cauley-Stein (Kentucky)
  10. Kevon Looney (UCLA)
  11. D'Angelo Russell (Ohio State)
  12. Dakari Johnson (Kentucky)
  13. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (Arizona)
  14. Cliff Alexander (Kansas)
  15. Domantas Sabonis (Gonzaga)
  16. Bobby Portis (Arkansas)
  17. RJ Hunter (Georgia State)
  18. Jakob Poeltl (Utah)
  19. Frank Kaminsky (Wisconsin)
  20. Delon Wright (Utah)
  21. Sam Dekker (Wisconsin)
  22. Kelly Oubre (Kansas)
  23. Norman Powell (UCLA)
  24. Chris Walker (Florida)
  25. Caris LeVert (Michigan)
  26. Tyus Jones (Duke)
  27. Trey Lyles (Kentucky)
  28. Chris McCullough (Syracuse)
  29. Marcus Lee (Kentucky)
  30. Michael Frazier (Florida)
  31. Devin Booker (Kentucky)
  32. Aaron Harrison (Kentucky)
  33. Alex Poythress (Kentucky)
  34. Ron Baker (Wichita State)
  35. Andrew Harrison (Kentucky)
  36. Wayne Selden (Kansas)
  37. Jordan Mickey (LSU)
  38. Mario Hezonja (Barcelona)
  39. Mouhammadou Jaiteh (Nanterre)
  40. Brice Johnson (North Carolina)
  41. Lebryan Nash (Oklahoma State)
  42. Chris Obekpa (St. John's)
  43. Georges Niang (Iowa State)
  44. Aleksander Vezenkov (Aris)
  45. Fred VanVleet (Wichita State)
  46. Rysheed Jordan (St. John's)
  47. Terry Rozier (Louisville)
  48. Perry Ellis (Kansas)
  49. Jabari Bird (Cal)
  50. Kaleb Tarczewski (Arizona)
  51. Zak Irvin (Michigan)
  52. Amida Brimah (Connecticut)
  53. Shawn Long (Louisana-Lafayette)
  54. Yogi Ferrell (Indiana)
  55. Rashad Vaughn (UNLV)
  56. Marcus Paige (North Carolina)
  57. Justin Jackson (North Carolina)
  58. Cedi Osman (Efes)
  59. Marc Garcia (Manresa)
  60. Tyler Ulis (Kentucky)
  61. Branden Dawson (Michigan State)
  62. Kennedy Meeks (North Carolina)
  63. Isaiah Taylor (Texas)
  64. Theo Pinson (North Carolina)
  65. AJ Hammons (Purdue)
  66. Prez Karnowski (Gonzaga)
  67. Buddy Hield (Oklahoma)
  68. Winston Shepard (San Diego State)
  69. Jarrell Martin (Louisiana State)
  70. Christian Wood (UNLV)
  71. Terran Petteway (Nebraska)
  72. Nikola Milutinov (Partizan)
  73. Brandon Ashley (Arizona)
  74. Josh Scott (Colorado)
  75. Luka Mitrovic (Red Star)
  76. James Blackmon (Indiana)
  77. Cam Ridley (Texas)
  78. Kyle Wiltjer (Gonzaga)
  79. Ryan Boatright (Connecticut)
  80. Rasmus Larsen (Charleroi)
  81. Briante Weber (VCU)
  82. Guillermo Hernangomez (Sevilla)
  83. Joseph Young (Oregon)
  84. Shannon Scott (Ohio State)
  85. Ryan Harrow (Georgia State)
  86. Nigel Williams-Goss (Washington)
  87. Isaac Haas (Purdue)
  88. Malcolm Brogdon (Virginia)
  89. Tai Webster (Nebraska)
  90. Tony Parker (UCLA)
  91. Grayson Allen (Duke)
  92. Jerian Grant (Notre Dame)
  93. Anthony Brown (Stanford)
  94. Bryce Alford (UCLA)
  95. Aaron White (Iowa)
  96. Nigel Hayes (Wisconsin)
  97. Dani Diez (Gipuzkoa)
  98. Sam Thompson (Ohio State)
  99. Landen Lucas (Kansas)
  100. Marcus Eriksson (Barcelona)
  101. Mamadou N'Diaye (UC Irvine)
  102. Brad Waldow (St. Mary's)
  103. D'Angelo Harrison (St. John's)
  104. Kyle Collinsworth (BYU)
  105. Dez Wells (Maryland)
  106. Kevin Pangos (Gonzaga)
  107. Brannen Greene (Kansas)
  108. Tyler Haws (BYU)

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Old 11-13-2014, 02:11 PM   #2
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Dusan Ristic from Serbia will play for Arizona. He is one if the most talented European Cs, from what I remember he was MVP of Jordan's camp couple of years ago.

I think he is our first player who choose to go to NCAA when he had offers from EL team. I'm interested to see how will he do and if he will be drafted higher than he would have if he stayed in Europe.
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Old 11-13-2014, 02:32 PM   #3
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I like Stanley Johnson but that means nothing until we see him play DI. Even then that's no guarantee they're gonna be a good NBA player.
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Old 11-15-2014, 10:58 AM   #4
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  1. Jahlil Okafor (Duke)
  2. Karl Towns (Kentucky)
  3. Justise Winslow (Duke)
  4. Emmanuel Mudiay (Guangdong)
  5. Kelly Oubre (Kansas)
  6. Willie Cauley-Stein (Kentucky)
  7. Montrezl Harrell (Louisville)
  8. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (Arizona)
  9. Cliff Alexander (Kansas)
  10. Dakari Johnson (Kentucky)
  11. Stanley Johnson (Arizona)
  12. Kristaps Porzingis (Sevilla)
  13. Frank Kaminsky (Wisconsin)
  14. Tyus Jones (Duke)
  15. Caris LeVert (Michigan)
  16. Sam Dekker (Wisconsin)
  17. Wayne Selden (Kansas)
  18. Perry Ellis (Kansas)
  19. Alex Poythress (Kentucky)
  20. Chris Walker (Florida)
  21. Myler Turner (Texas)
  22. Ron Baker (Wichita State)
  23. Andrew Harrison (Kentucky)
  24. Jordan Mickey (LSU)
  25. Branden Dawson (Michigan State)
  26. Yogi Ferrell (Indiana)
  27. Michael Frazier (Florida)
  28. Theo Pinson (North Carolina)
  29. Fred VanVleet (Wichita State)
  30. Amida Brimah (Connecticut)
  31. Aaron Harrison (Kentucky)

I'm quoting the original big board so I can laugh at it come March.

I caught up on several of the games this morning. It was weak competition for the most part so there's not a lot of conclusions you can take away from what you see but I'll just jot down a few things I noticed.

- I rate Justise Winslow higher than most and I really liked what I saw yesterday. He's only a freshman but he plays like a man among boys already. He's relenteless on the boards, can finish through contact, defends tenaciously, and has a decent outside shot.

- Despite being swarmed with double and triple teams at times, Jahlil Okafor patiently and efficiently put up 19 points on just 10 shot attempts while dishing out 4 assists and not turning it over a single time. He's got a feathery touch and knows how to use his body to carve out space in the post. This kid's going to be special.

- I didn't expect Tyus Jones to shoot the ball as well as he did. I also liked what I saw from fellow freshman Grayson Allen. It looks like the experienced guys who were once highly rated prospects like Sulaimon, Plumlee, and Amile Jefferson are all going to take a backseat to the freshmen this year.

- I think Ryan Boatright is going to be the next guy in the Kemba Walker/Shabazz Napier mold. I'm not saying he's going to lead UConn to a deep run in the tournament but he's got the same kind of scoring instincts, explosiveness, and NBA-ready court vision and defense that those guys had as seniors.

- Montrezl Harrell always had a high motor and decent touch but if he can continue to knock down 3s like he did yesterday, he'll get looks in the top 5. He was flat out dominant against a solid Minnesota team.

- I liked what I saw from Terry Rozier. He's a typical Rick Pitino guard - elite lateral quickness, explosive, relentless on defense, and excels in transition. He and Chris Jones should form a formidable backcourt in the ACC.

- Kentucky is stacked but they played an awful Grand Canyon team that lacked size. Andrew Harrison looked really good getting to the rim and was more confident in his decision making. Trey Lyles showed his smooth stroke knocking down a few jumpers and WCS and Dakari Johnson tormented Grand Canyon inside.

- I watched some of the Kansas game but didn't see anything worth commenting on. I'm surprised Kelly Oubre only got 4 minutes.

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Dusan Ristic from Serbia will play for Arizona. He is one if the most talented European Cs, from what I remember he was MVP of Jordan's camp couple of years ago.

I think he is our first player who choose to go to NCAA when he had offers from EL team. I'm interested to see how will he do and if he will be drafted higher than he would have if he stayed in Europe.

That's interesting but it will be tough for him to get a lot of consistent playing time. He'll be playing behind one of the better centers in college basketball, , Kaleb Tarczewski.
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I hope Silver rigs the draft for us so we can get Okafor
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Dusan Ristic from Serbia will play for Arizona. He is one if the most talented European Cs, from what I remember he was MVP of Jordan's camp couple of years ago.

I think he is our first player who choose to go to NCAA when he had offers from EL team. I'm interested to see how will he do and if he will be drafted higher than he would have if he stayed in Europe.
tell me about nikola jokic. 19 and posting up great stats in serbian league
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really hopin Dekker doesn't get picked in the lottery. ppl saw his stats last year and act disappointed. man he was playing within a team that went to a final 4. that's a useful piece in the nba. afraid of him getting placed in a role thats too big for him and never recovering from it. Dekker would be the perfect get for the Clips. polished, ready to contribute right away, has range, can finish at the rim and all that works with a high ball screen...even better when cp3 is your pg.
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I really like frank kaminsky the guy is a can't miss low risk pick in the 20-32 range or if he drops to the 2nd roud
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KAT will be the best player of the draft.

Followed him for the last few years before he committed to UK.

6'11" with range to 28 feet and excellent vision. He'll be Kevin Love.
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KAT will be the best player of the draft.

Followed him for the last few years before he committed to UK.

6'11" with range to 28 feet and excellent vision. He'll be Kevin Love.
He should project as a better defender though right? Taller and longer, he could potentially spot minutes at C and not have the defense be awful. I really like his game and think he's gonna be a stud. I've seen some compare him to LMA, though instead of long 2s he takes 3s
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Why did Oubre only get 4mins? Dog house?
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What do you think of Porzingis? I've seen him several times and the kid seems pretty good.
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Karl Towns is going to be an animal. He may not get a ton of playing time of the bat though for Kentucky.
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tell me about nikola jokic. 19 and posting up great stats in serbian league
He's playing in Adriatic league not Serbian. Adriatic league is where best ex Yugoslavia teams play while Serbian league is even worse than D league.

I wrote about Jokic here before and said that he's most talented European bigman. He is a PF but he can play C because of his size (210 cm). Last season he lead the league in 2pt% but he wasn't hitting 3s at all even though he was known to be a good shooter in youth competition. So far this season he is shooting amazing and his high release mixed with his size makes him impossible to block (He was hitting 3s over Boban Marjanovic and Marjanovic is 222).

He isn't that athletic but his mobility for that size is great. Most of the bigs don't have that good coordination but when you watch him it's like watching a guard.
His biggest asset is his passing ability. I remember draftexpress analyzing PF prospects and comparing their stats and they were surprised that Jokic was best passer out of a bunch. He had some really impressive passes which is why people here compare him with Divac but I don't think you have some of his better passes on YouTube.

I also like that he isn't soft even though he may seem like it and having balls and not being afraid of contact is probably the most important thing for a bigman.

What makes him such an interesting prospect is the fact that he started playing basketball 3 years ago and is already leading candidate for Adriatic league MVP.
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Pinson is not going to play too much this year. He's redundant with Tokoto and while he has an immense of talent, he has no discipline at all. 3 year player, and needs a lot of coaching to help his mental mistakes. Justin Jackson will look like the best player, I think. 2 and done, tho. I think he's an 15-18 ppg scorer in the NBA on a good team.

I think Walker could shoot up the board quickly. Got to see him produce, but his physical ability is insane. Also has to keep his nose clean.

Kaminsky's measurables are going to limit his NBA upside. Even if he ends up like KO, is that really that good? I would almost rather take my chance on a Myles Turner, and I can't stand my bigs shooting 3's all game.

Harrell was impressive. Is he a legit 6-8, tho? He looks shorter to me. But his arms are Brand-long.

Rashad Vaughn? He's a better prospect than Selden imo.
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