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Im a big fan that only elite players should be in the HOF on my visit there there are some players I just dont think should be in but made it based on team success. This is what might get Tony Parker in and keep Vince Carter out. This is a short list of players I think might get the shaft
T-Mac its been too long since he was a top level elite player people will forget him
Gilbert was on his way but injuries and the Wizzards lack of getting deep in the playoffs will hurt him but he still has some life lets see how he does
Ray Allen IF the HOF can snub DJ and Kj what makes you think they wont Ray Ray he needs to end his career with a bang or dont be shocked.
Joe Johnson will go down as one of the greatest players nobody remembers.
I think it would be very unfair if Yao makes it and TMac doesnt but I think yao gets in too many fans in China its all about money not what Yao has done in the league.
Ben Wallace leaving the Pistons showed what he really is a below avg C he was that before he got to the Pistons and when he left.
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I have a different prespective. I believe winning and exceptionally success team orinted players should be in the hall of fame ahead of outstanding indivudual stars. Like the ParkerCarter debate.
If I were a GM I'd trade Carter for Parker in a heartbeat. You can say whatever you want about Parker's team mates in SA, that guy wins bottom line and Carter loses.
Not that you have to win a title to be great. Lots of players from Baylor and Barkley to Stockton and Malone and so many more have overcome their lack of championships with individual performances that trancend.
If a player like McGrady or Vince doesn't get into the hall of fame, it won't be because they didn't have the talent, but because they didn't use it right.
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Originally Posted by G.O.A.T
I have a different prespective. I believe winning and exceptionally success team orinted players should be in the hall of fame ahead of outstanding indivudual stars. Like the ParkerCarter debate.
If I were a GM I'd trade Carter for Parker in a heartbeat. You can say whatever you want about Parker's team mates in SA, that guy wins bottom line and Carter loses.
Not that you have to win a title to be great. Lots of players from Baylor and Barkley to Stockton and Malone and so many more have overcome their lack of championships with individual performances that trancend.
If a player like McGrady or Vince doesn't get into the hall of fame, it won't be because they didn't have the talent, but because they didn't use it right.
Im not a big fan of either but is there any real difference between them and Pistol ?
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Im not a big fan of either but is there any real difference between them and Pistol ?
Yes. It is not the NBA Hall of Fame. Pistol is in the Hall because of two reasons outside of his NBA career:
1) One of the greatest college players ever. College doesn't mean as much now as it used to... but Pistol had an impressive college resume. You can get into all the "his dad coached him, etc etc" but statistically speaking, he was a beast in college.
2) He revolutionized the game in the art of playmaking. To put it in perspective... all the stuff the Harlen Globetrotters were doing... Pistol was doing at age 9. And when he got older he could do the stuff without thinking in real games, not simulated BS games. Some would discredit it because he was showing off, etc. But the man was one of the most skilled playmakers of all time.
That is why he is different than Vince and McGrady. Besides dunking (which Jordan an Nique already did)... what impression has Carter made on the game? What impression has McGrady made on the game?
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That is why he is different than Vince and McGrady. Besides dunking (which Jordan an Nique already did)... what impression has Carter made on the game? What impression has McGrady made on the game?
VC is the best dunker of all time. Thats HOF material. And Mcgrady better be in at least your top 7.
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Yes. It is not the NBA Hall of Fame. Pistol is in the Hall because of two reasons outside of his NBA career:
1) One of the greatest college players ever. College doesn't mean as much now as it used to... but Pistol had an impressive college resume. You can get into all the "his dad coached him, etc etc" but statistically speaking, he was a beast in college.
2) He revolutionized the game in the art of playmaking. To put it in perspective... all the stuff the Harlen Globetrotters were doing... Pistol was doing at age 9. And when he got older he could do the stuff without thinking in real games, not simulated BS games. Some would discredit it because he was showing off, etc. But the man was one of the most skilled playmakers of all time.
That is why he is different than Vince and McGrady. Besides dunking (which Jordan an Nique already did)... what impression has Carter made on the game? What impression has McGrady made on the game?
You know Pistol wasn't the first with that style. Bob Cousy and later Pearl Monroe. Bu he was one of them.
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Ben Wallace leaving the Pistons showed what he really is a below avg C he was that before he got to the Pistons and when he left.
Below average is overdoing it. He's old and broke down now, but dont forget that he was a starter on the Cavs last season and averaged 6.5RPG and 1.3BPG and provided some solid D in limited minutes. He isnt half the player he used to be, but he's still a serviceable big.
He spent 6 years on the Pistons and won 4DPOYS and he led the league in rebounding and blocked shots. He was an undrafted, undersized center who was the cornerstone of a champsionship team. He had a short prime and a lot of it had to do with him fitting into the Pistons system. I think the expectations were too high when he arrived in Chicago. He's a hard worker and a great defender but not a franchise player, because he has zero offense. Still, as one of the best defensive players and rebounders ever, he should be in the HOF.
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ou know Pistol wasn't the first with that style. Bob Cousy and later Pearl Monroe. Bu he was one of them.
Cousy never really did the stuff that Pistol did. And Earl and Pistol pretty much was on the scene at the same time. Monroe got to the pros before Pete. But Pete was famous long before that... they before were mid to late 60s guys starting their careers.
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People really think McGrady should be in the HOF? And Gilbert, even if he doesn't come back as what he once was?
McGrady had like 4-5 dominant years, with the rest of his career being... forgettable. A shame that injuries derailed it, but forgettable nonetheless.
As for Gilbert.. unless he comes back 100% and is the same player that he once was for the next 7+ years.. how does he make it?
You don't make the HOF based on one season, but rather the body of your work (at least I hope so). It would be a travesty if those two players made the HOF and defamed the names of everyone else in before them.
They each had a few incredibly dominant seasons, but HOF material? Nah... not long enough
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Below average is overdoing it. He's old and broke down now, but dont forget that he was a starter on the Cavs last season and averaged 6.5RPG and 1.3BPG and provided some solid D in limited minutes. He isnt half the player he used to be, but he's still a serviceable big.
He spent 6 years on the Pistons and won 4DPOYS and he led the league in rebounding and blocked shots. He was an undrafted, undersized center who was the cornerstone of a champsionship team. He had a short prime and a lot of it had to do with him fitting into the Pistons system. I think the expectations were too high when he arrived in Chicago. He's a hard worker and a great defender but not a franchise player, because he has zero offense. Still, as one of the best defensive players and rebounders ever, he should be in the HOF.
Im not saying what he did with the Pistons was HOF worthy but his career pre and post Pistons at best he is a serviceable big. how will he be remebered pre-post Pistons or his time with the Pistons.
Player in todays game most likely to get over looked for the HOF but deserves to be i
VC is the best dunker of all time. Thats HOF material. And Mcgrady better be in at least your top 7.
