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Old 08-26-2009, 11:19 AM   #16
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this sucks. wait a minute, the source is marca. although im 99% this time it is actually real marca is notoriously unreliable, id wait until a more reputable source comes out. see you in 2010 ricky

According to ERT World Barca is already scheduling the press conference for the next week.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:36 AM   #17
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It was announced on ERT World. It's official according to them. He will make $2.8 million per season on a 6 year contract. Buyouts after the 2nd and 3rd years are possible. The 2nd year buyout would be much bigger than the 3rd year buyout.

Rubio in other words will officially play with Barca for the next 2-3 seasons.
Seriously this really makes me angry, Why declare for the NBA Draft in the first place if you're not planning to come over for 2-3 years?

The T'Wolves ****ed up big time, his value will not increase overseas because he will still have to adapt to the NBA system. That is why NBA teams want Euros young at 18 or 19 in order to develop them in the NBA system early on. He'll basically be Jose Calderon when he comes over to the NBA at 22, with experience overseas but not experienced in the NBA game and will have to pick it up quicker.

So Minnesota basically will only have Rubio if Jonny Flynn is a complete Draft Bust, and Minnesota will trade Rubio if Jonny Flynn is successful. A boneheaded move only considered to be smart by twolvesfan.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:37 AM   #18
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you were never welcome here ricky
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:42 AM   #19
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Haha....well Q isn't THAT bad, and he's much better than Blount. And Q seemed like a player TWolves could use, so you could see they have no care in the world about winning. Just saving bucks for now and being as bad as possible.

Teams draft players and wait for them. It happens alot. Celtics waited for Bird for a year. Spurs waited for Robinson to finish Navy stint. But we live in such a NOW culture, everyone thinks Kahn is a fool. Kahn is very smart and his patience will pay off......
His patience will pay off if Flynn fails. The problem is he drafted duplicate positions back to back, he wont have both when the time comes. Instead of Hitting a Home Run by drafting 2 players who will contribute together, he did a Sacrifice fly to have 1 of them advance while the other is out.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:42 AM   #20
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So Minnesota basically will only have Rubio if Jonny Flynn is a complete Draft Bust, and Minnesota will trade Rubio if Jonny Flynn is successful. A boneheaded move only considered to be smart by twolvesfan.

You just don't understand. It's Ricky Rubio!!!! GM's love him!!!!! He's white, he passes, he makes his teammates better. Morey, Pritchard, Thorn, and Kahn are all having a circle jerk thinking about Rubio.

Even if Rubio never plays a game in the U.S., drafting Rubio is totally worth it. Kahn is the envy of all the smart GM's.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:43 AM   #21
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You talk abut much to do about nothing. What a puss this guy is.

Lame.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:58 AM   #22
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You just don't understand. It's Ricky Rubio!!!! GM's love him!!!!! He's white, he passes, he makes his teammates better. Morey, Pritchard, Thorn, and Kahn are all having a circle jerk thinking about Rubio.

Even if Rubio never plays a game in the U.S., drafting Rubio is totally worth it. Kahn is the envy of all the smart GM's.

Rubio is like male jailbait. Everybody wants a piece of him until he gets older and then well.... hes just not what he used to be.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:05 PM   #23
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Seriously this really makes me angry, Why declare for the NBA Draft in the first place if you're not planning to come over for 2-3 years?

The T'Wolves ****ed up big time, his value will not increase overseas because he will still have to adapt to the NBA system. That is why NBA teams want Euros young at 18 or 19 in order to develop them in the NBA system early on. He'll basically be Jose Calderon when he comes over to the NBA at 22, with experience overseas but not experienced in the NBA game and will have to pick it up quicker.

So Minnesota basically will only have Rubio if Jonny Flynn is a complete Draft Bust, and Minnesota will trade Rubio if Jonny Flynn is successful. A boneheaded move only considered to be smart by twolvesfan.
Let's assume that Rubio will only improve while playing overseas for the next year or two.

That puts Kahn in an enviable position... if Flynn does NOT pan out, then we can logically assume that he wouldn't have panned out even if Rubio had come over this season. Therefore Flynn being a bust is independent of Ricky.

However, if Flynn DOES pan out (which is debatably dependent upon Ricky playing or not playing here -- more chances for Flynn, etc) then Kahn has Flynn, a good player, and another guy that every GM STILL covets (again, assuming Ricky doesn't get hurt or suddenly turn into a terrible Euro player). Now, he can trade NBA-good Flynn for another solid player to play alongside Rubio, or he can trade the rights to Ricky for a good player to play alongside Flynn... How is that not a good situation?
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:11 PM   #24
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Kahn is an idiot. I know for sure Flynn is not gonna be a bust. He loves the game too much and he is not in it for the money. He works hard and he competes. Hes better than Rubio.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:17 PM   #25
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I'm really not seeing how this is a disaster for the Wolves. So they have to wait two years, so what ? Rubio will still only be 20, and he'll be more polished by then, but will still only get payed a rookie contract. It's not like the Wolves are going anywhere the next two years and need help right now.

Sure it could end up being the case that he doesn't live up to the hype, but even then I don't see how he won't be at least a decent backup PG, and there will be plenty of teams who would like one of those for a rookie salary, even if the Wolves find themselves not needing it.

At the end of the day the Wolves had the 5th pick in a weak draft, and they went for potential, not exactly a new idea.
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Let's assume that Rubio will only improve while playing overseas for the next year or two.
Rubio can improve overseas but he still has to translate it to the NBA, some of the most skilled European players were not able to translate their game effectively in the NBA. Rubio being 18 would give him time to develop his game early, he would be given a longer tolerance for mistakes because of his youth. However at 22 or 23, that leash will be much shorter espescially considering he was the #5 Pick.

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That puts Kahn in an enviable position... if Flynn does NOT pan out, then we can logically assume that he wouldn't have panned out even if Rubio had come over this season. Therefore Flynn being a bust is independent of Ricky.
OK, but still Kahn will have made a bad pick there.

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However, if Flynn DOES pan out (which is debatably dependent upon Ricky playing or not playing here -- more chances for Flynn, etc) then Kahn has Flynn, a good player, and another guy that every GM STILL covets (again, assuming Ricky doesn't get hurt or suddenly turn into a terrible Euro player). Now, he can trade NBA-good Flynn for another solid player to play alongside Rubio, or he can trade the rights to Ricky for a good player to play alongside Flynn... How is that not a good situation?
Rubio's value will not be any higher than it is right now, and no smart GM will move a good player to acquire an unproven PG like Rubio. When GM's trade a good player, its for a draft pick to select a specific player or its to dump salary.

Why should a GM trade a player like Kevin Martin to Minnesota to acquire Rubio who will still have to adjust to the American game when he arrives.

If Flynn turns out to be a good player, what smart GM would trade away their already proven PG to give an opportunity to an unproven PG they drafted years ago? That would make no sense, and set Minnesota back espescially if Flynn is a key component of their offense and would only be 23.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:27 PM   #27
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I'm really not seeing how this is a disaster for the Wolves. So they have to wait two years, so what ? Rubio will still only be 20, and he'll be more polished by then, but will still only get payed a rookie contract. It's not like the Wolves are going anywhere the next two years and need help right now.
Rubio will be 21 if not older, because he will still have to buy himself out of the contract to come to the NBA. Hell theres a chance he may not come over until the end of the 6 year contract.


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Sure it could end up being the case that he doesn't live up to the hype, but even then I don't see how he won't be at least a decent backup PG, and there will be plenty of teams who would like one of those for a rookie salary, even if the Wolves find themselves not needing it.
If Rubio, the #5 Pick in the 2009 NBA Draft ends up becoming a NBA back-up. Without question he will be ranked among the Biggest Draft Busts of All-Time, and I personally would rank him up there as well. When you come with such hype as he has for the last several years, the lowest tolerable output in your NBA career would be as an average starting PG with flashy passes like Jason Williams.

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At the end of the day the Wolves had the 5th pick in a weak draft, and they went for potential, not exactly a new idea.
But they went for potential with both of their Lottery Picks at the same position, if it was such a weak Draft they could've traded down and filled their needs at PG, SG, and SF in June.

They could've went
Teague-#18
Williams-#6
Clark-#5

Reaches, but it fills a need and gives you a chance to evaluate their potential on the team and whether or not to upgrade next June at one of those positions.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:29 PM   #28
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Isn't overseas a slower style of play than the NBA so idk how much he is going to improve.
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If Rubio, the #5 Pick in the 2009 NBA Draft ends up becoming a NBA back-up. Without question he will be ranked among the Biggest Draft Busts of All-Time, and I personally would rank him up there as well. When you come with such hype as he has for the last several years, the lowest tolerable output in your NBA career would be as an average starting PG with flashy passes like Jason Williams.

You need to go back and have a look at the draft history. Every draft has a couple of top 10 picks that end up leaving the league after just a few years, and many more who end up as bench players. For a #5 pick in a weak draft to do so is nothing at all unusual, never mind a top draft bust of all time.
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Old 08-26-2009, 12:44 PM   #30
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You need to go back and have a look at the draft history. Every draft has a couple of top 10 picks that end up leaving the league after just a few years, and many more who end up as bench players. For a #5 pick in a weak draft to do so is nothing at all unusual, never mind a top draft bust of all time.
You're already considering this Draft to be Weak before the season has even started, Rubio's fate due to his Draft positioning wont be determined until maybe 5-10 years down the line.

The fact that he will constantly be compared with Flynn's career, who was selected by Minnesota with the following pick will also be apart of his legacy.
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