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Old 10-23-2006, 12:24 AM   #31
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He'd maybe have 1. I can't help but think of the 2005 semi finals against Dallas where he just dominated them. Literally he took a **** on his former team. He definitely deserved the first one IMO, they sucked when he got injured for like 5 games.
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Old 10-23-2006, 12:32 AM   #32
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Nash and Stockton are pretty interchangeable to me. Nash is a better scorer, Stockton a better defender. Roughly equal passers.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:06 AM   #33
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KJ might be the most disrespected PG these days. Him and Timmy Hardaway. Both were right on Stockton/Nash/Price level at their peaks.
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how many MVP's would he have....

here is a little blurb to refreash your memory

"PRICE, MARK (1964-). Price excelled in the National Basketball Association for twelve years. He finished his professional endeavor as the best ever free-throw shooter in NBA history, making 90.4 percent throughout his career. The Dallas Mavericks selected Price in the second round of the1986 NBA draft and traded him to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Price holds many Cleveland franchise career records (assists, steals, free throw percentage, and three-point field goals made and attempted). In 1995 Cleveland traded him to the Washington Bullets, now the Wizards. In 1996 the Golden State Warriors signed Price and then traded him to the Orlando Magic in 1997. Price averaged 15.2 points and 6.7 assists for his entire career and achieved All-Star status four of his twelve professional years. Besides his prowess at the free-throw line, Price made over 40 percent of his three-point shots. He scored over ten thousand points and won the NBA long distance shootout twice on All-Star weekend. After retiring from the NBA in 1998, Price, his wife, Laura, and their children settled in Georgia where he coached basketball. Both of Mark's brothers, Matt and Brent, played college basketball, with Brent following his older brother into the NBA.
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lmao!! Another Steve Nash hater.

How about this..... What if steve Nash would of been on the Clevand cavaliers instead of Mark Price??? Maybe the Cavs wouldn't of been knocked out of the playoffs in the first round every year. hahahahahaha!!
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:34 AM   #35
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"For 1 year he was the best point guard in the league. Haf he gotten that distinction had Magic not retired because of AIDS? I seriosly doubt it."

So he isnt better than arguably the best player in the history of basketball. Thats not saying much really. Magic would be the best point i nthe league no matter when he played or who else is there. Hes Magic Johnson.
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doesn't matter anymore, Mark Price is coaching down here in Australia

http://www.nbl.com.au/default.aspx?s...splay&aid=3391

Not anymore mate, sacked(forced to resign) today. Quickly followed by the sacking of former draft bust Todd Fuller.
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lmao!! Another Steve Nash hater.

How about this..... What if steve Nash would of been on the Clevand cavaliers instead of Mark Price??? Maybe the Cavs wouldn't of been knocked out of the playoffs in the first round every year. hahahahahaha!!

The Cavs reached the conference finals in 1992 , after knocking out the Larry Bird and Co in the second round ; they lost the conf'finals in 6 games to the Bulls

Also, KJ was considered by many as the 2nd or 3rd best guard of the 90's
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This thread was started by a notorious Nash hater so its merits are weak at best.

Comparing Mark Price to the player Steve Nash has been since his Dallas days is like compring MJ to Fennis Dembo.

YG, your Nash hating makes you the dumbest poster on this board at times. I don't know what Stevie did to you but you need to get over yourself son.

Mark Price had a stud team in Cleveland and shared a backcourt with a prime Ron Harper, who before his injury was the closest thing to MJ in the league, all you young bucks on here won't remember that but anyone who watched the NBA in the 80s (Younggrease obviously didn't) knows for a brief while Ron was tight as shiiiit. Brad Daughrety was an all star, Larry Nance was bad ass, Hot Rod was good...the Cavs were a sick team in the late 80s, picked to go to the finals by more than a few prognosticators, but what happened? they choked in the first round of the playoffs (MJ over Ehlo, yeah you know the drill). That was a huge upset at the time boys and girls, MJ wasn't MJ then (he hadn't won shiiit) and the Cavs straight up choked.

Put Steve Nash on that team and maybe logo loses a little of his luster and one of his signature moments (the buzzer beater over Ehlo).

Nash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Price, and that is ignoring the fact that MP's skill level declined so fast he was out of the league in no time.

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Ron Harper wasnt with Price at the top of his game. Price was like 23 when Ron harper got traded. Nash was either a backup or a nobody in Dallas at that age. he was getting better all along till the injuries became too much. And Harper was good but he was hardly MJ like by the late 80s. he just had a great rookie year. He put up 15ppg one of the 3 years he was with Price and missed a bunch of games. And Price wasnt even in his prime then. Pointing out he played with harper is like saying Nash played with Penny. Its true(and Penny was good as a Sun at first). But it was neither Nash at his best or Penny at his. harper burned out in Cleveland fast as hell. He hardly dominated.

Cavs had talent but by 80s and early 90s standards it wasnt just insane talent. In the year they lost to MJ in the first round the bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Grant, and Cartwright all playing quite well. MJ was already an MVP and many time all NBA first teamer. Hes Michael Jordan. Even if he wasnt considered as good as he is in retrospect....he WAS as good as we consider him in retrosepct. What people thought then doesnt matter. just in that division it was them two the Pistons who won 63 games with Isiah, dumars, Laimbeer, Dantley, rodman, and so on. And the Bucks had Cummings, Pierce, Sikma, Moncrief, and Pressey. And the Hawks had nique, Moses malone, Reggie Theus, and Doc Rivers. And the Knicks in the atlantic had Ewing, Gerald, oakley, Rod Strickland, Mark Jackson, and Newman.

Yes the Cavs had Price before his prime, Brad, Nance, Hotrod, and Ron. but compared to the best of the league back then....that isnt that special. Its special by todays standards. Nash is one of the few modern players to be on teams with 80s talent in todays league. At least from 03-05. Last year they fell short of 80s standards. Got good matchups with just 45 and 47 win teams to beat to make the WCF.

Still did his thing though.

But really...losing to MJ isnt that big a deal. Lost to him 4 times and Barkley in philly when the cavs were just a 42 win team(no Harper or Brad due to injury) vs a 53 win one. Best and most healthy team he had they got to the ECF and lost to the 67 win Bulls in 6. They just couldnt get by the Bulls. In fact I think the bulls beat them in 94 too. Bulls just owned the Cavs. Steve Nash isnt going to stop MJ anymore than Mark did. Maybe the win 1 series since Nash is better in his prime than Price was before his. But they arent making the finals either. they still woudnt beat the Bad boys. Neither Nash or Price could carry them past the ECF where Price got them himself.

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Old 10-23-2006, 09:50 AM   #40
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they weren't very similar players, first off. besides both being white point guards their games were very different. you didn't see price breaking down a ton of guys with his penetration or behind the back passes but you don't see nash having nearly the jumper price had. and the teams they excelled with were very different.

price's cavs (in the wilkins years, not the injury-prone fratello years) were deep and built around daughterty, a duncan-like fundamental big man. helping brad out they had the huge nance, hot rod, and more on the front line. they were weak at small forward and had a role player at the 2 after harper was traded. so they ran the half-court post game offense with price stretching the d. price's in game range was the best in the league. no other pg of the time could come down and fire with or without a pick like price.

but he wasn't the best pg overall. stockton made fewer mistakes and had more assists. of course magic was near perfect. also t brandon played better d and penetrated. kj was 2 step quicker than price ever was. there were tons of good pg's back then (not to mention all the hall of famers in their prime).

so while the comparison is interesting i don't get much out of it. price was perfect for those cavs and if mj had played baseball 3 years earlier they would have had 1 or 2 rings. nash is great but only mvp because of the timing - he's in between legendary decades.
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Old 10-23-2006, 09:56 AM   #41
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now that price got sacked from the Dragons (NBL) shane heal is going to ... play / captain / coach, haha good luck to him
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In the 1986 NBA draft the club selected center Brad Daugherty and guard Ron Harper and obtained the draft rights to guard Mark Price. The club also hired Lenny Wilkens as coach, beginning with the 1986-87 season. During the 1987-88 season the Cavs obtained forward Larry Nance in a trade, and the team finished with a 42-40 record, its first winning season in ten years. In the playoffs the Chicago Bulls defeated the Cavs in the first round. Cleveland won 57 games in 1988-89 but again lost to the Bulls in the first round of the playoffs. Price, Daugherty, and Nance posted outstanding seasons in 1991-92 as the Cavaliers won 57 games again and advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals before falling to the Bulls. The Cavs had one of their best seasons in 1992-93, leading the league in field-goal shooting (.497), free-throw shooting (.802), and three-point shooting (.381). The team won 54 games but lost to the Bulls in postseason play for the fourth time in six years.

Looks like they all came up at the same time to me.

Secondly MJ won MVPs in 88 and 91 so saying he was already an MVP is only half true considering they were bounced by the Bulls twice and MJ hadn't the hardware the first time around.

Also, losing to the Bulls during their 57 win season in the first round was an epic choke and the Cavs had the much better team all season.

Also mentioned in the argument was how good Ho Grant and Pippen were, but in reality they were rookies and second year players during this time frame and not the HUGE contributors the revisionists on this board remember, and saying Bill Cartwright in the face of an All Star Brad Daughrety is not even comparable.

Sloppy arguments aside,

This wouldn't have happened to Nash, Steve can play the team game or step up depending on what is needed. People really need to stop hating.
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I think he'd have one.
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just another backhanded attempt to dis-credit nash by all the haters on this board. nash= deserved 2 time mvp. nash= own's price. nash= 3 time mvp
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I also wonder how many MVP's Tim Hardaway would have in Phoenix???
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