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Old 11-29-2009, 09:38 PM   #76
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If he gets more than eight carries in a game, there is a 95-percent chance that he is getting carried off on a stretcher. He is one of the most injury prone players I have ever seen.

I had him on my fantasy team earlier this year... It was maddening.
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don't know about all that...

seems like Barber has just as many injury issues...he hasn't been 100% the whole year either...

Choice is the only RB in Dallas that doesn't seem to deal with injuries...
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don't know about all that...

seems like Barber has just as many injury issues...he hasn't been 100% the whole year either...

Choice is the only RB in Dallas that doesn't seem to deal with injuries...
The difference is, Barber has been a successful feature back in this league. Jones has his touches severely limited due to his fragile nature and he still gets hurt constantly. It is going to get to the point where he will be good for one or two touches per game before Phillips begins to wonder if he is pushing the envelope. That isn't an exaggeration. Look at his game logs over the course of his two seasons.
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Old 11-29-2009, 09:51 PM   #78
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The difference is, Barber has been a successful feature back in this league. Jones has his touches severely limited due to his fragile nature and he still gets hurt constantly. It is going to get to the point where he will be good for one or two touches per game before Phillips begins to wonder if he is pushing the envelope. That isn't an exaggeration. Look at his game logs over the course of his two seasons.
I am not sure that Barber has done that, all last year he played with a dislocated toe...he wasn't the same

Felix has only suffered 2 injuries in his short career...

the reason he doesn't get a ton of carries is because of Barber's success...he is supposed to complement Barber's bruising syle...

he never got the bulk at Arkansas either, McFadden did (who has been more injured than Felix this year)...but no one knows if he is capable of carring the bulk or not because he has just never done it...I am sure if you asked him he would say that he could handle it and WANTS to handle it...

splitting carries should also prolong his career...there are not that many teams in the NFL today that have a "feature RB"...
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I am not sure that Barber has done that, all last year he played with a dislocated toe...he wasn't the same

Felix has only suffered 2 injuries in his short career...

the reason he doesn't get a ton of carries is because of Barber's success...he is supposed to complement Barber's bruising syle...

he never got the bulk at Arkansas either, McFadden did (who has been more injured than Felix this year)...but no one knows if he is capable of carring the bulk or not because he has just never done it...I am sure if you asked him he would say that he could handle it and WANTS to handle it...

splitting carries should also prolong his career...there are not that many teams in the NFL today that have a "feature RB"...

Well... Let's just put it like this... Felix Jones has only had one game of double-digit carries in his career. That was 10 carries in Week 11 this year.

Marion Barber has only had one game of under double-digit carries this season and that came in a game in which he was injured. I would say that Barber is Dallas' feature back, for all intensive purposes. Choice and Jones get a touch every now and then, but Barber is getting between 15-25 touches a game when he is healthy.

Jones has never had a single game with that much activity even once in his career. Earlier this year (I think it was against Carolina), Jones was the starter for the injured Barber and it was supposed to be the first time that Jones would carry the load and lead the offense.

He looked tremendous for one quarter. However, the predictable injury came right at his eighth carry and he never returned. I think he even missed several games afterward. He wasn't nursing an injury in that game. He looked the best he has ever looked for that one quarter. It was just a case of a guy that can't carry the workload getting too much activity. It just doesn't seem like he can do it. His body is not made to be any more than a complimentary guy for an occasional touch off of the bench.

You give him more than that and chances are he is going to be sidelined for a few games.

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CJ is having a better statistical year. But all it takes is a couple crazy games from AD to even up the yards. Same could be said about CJ though.
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Well... Let's just put it like this... Felix Jones has only had one game of double-digit carries in his career. That was 10 carries in Week 11 this year.

Marion Barber has only had one game of under double-digit carries this season and that came in a game in which he was injured. I would say that Barber is Dallas' feature back, for all intensive purposes. Choice and Jones get a touch every now and then, but Barber is getting between 15-25 touches a game when he is healthy.

Jones has never had a single game with that much activity even once in his career. Earlier this year (I think it was against Carolina), Jones was the starter for the injured Barber and it was supposed to be the first time that Jones would carry the load and lead the offense.

He looked tremendous for one quarter. However, the predictable injury came right at his eighth carry and he never returned. I think he even missed several games afterward. He wasn't nursing an injury in that game. He looked the best he has ever looked for that one quarter. It was just a case of a guy that can't carry the workload getting too much activity. It just doesn't seem like he can do it. His body is not made to be any more than a complimentary guy for an occasional touch off of the bench.

You give him more than that and chances are he is going to be sidelined for a few games.
it is his running style, not his body...he doesn't duck into hits, he keeps running straight up the entire time like he is going to score a TD on every play...and when he gets hit, he is unprepared...he is always in an akward position...

this year he was SUPPOSED to get equal share in carries...but he has had a brace on his leg the whole year after his knee injury...so IDK

Dallas does know that he is capable of magic though when he does get the ball...
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it is his running style, not his body...he doesn't duck into hits, he keeps running straight up the entire time like he is going to score a TD on every play...and when he gets hit, he is unprepared...he is always in an akward position...

this year he was SUPPOSED to get equal share in carries...but he has had a brace on his leg the whole year after his knee injury...so IDK

Dallas does know that he is capable of magic though when he does get the ball...
he took that brace off starting with the Redskins game. just sayin.
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he took that brace off starting with the Redskins game. just sayin.
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RBs with 5.0 ypc or higher (over 50 carries):

Felix Jones, 61 carries, 6.9 ypc
Chris Johnson, 217 carries, 6.4 ypc
Tashard Choice, 58 carries, 5.7 ypc
Justin Forsett, 67 carries, 5.7 ypc
Pierre Thomas, 105 carries, 5.6 ypc
Frank Gore, 112 carries, 5.4 ypc
Jamaal Charles, 78 carries, 5.2 ypc
DeAngelo Williams, 197 carries, 5.2 ypc
Rashard Mendenhall, 134 carries, 5.1 ypc
Ricky Williams, 154 carries, 5.1 ypc
Reggie Bush, 55 carries, 5.0 ypc
Ray Rice, 148 carries, 5.0 ypc


and yes, I just did that to show case the Dallas runners (Barber is a 4.6 btw)...

* Rice/Mendenhall/Pierre/Bush don't have week 12 added...
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He is this year
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RBs with 5.0 ypc or higher (over 50 carries):

Felix Jones, 61 carries, 6.9 ypc
Chris Johnson, 217 carries, 6.4 ypc
Tashard Choice, 58 carries, 5.7 ypc
Justin Forsett, 67 carries, 5.7 ypc
Pierre Thomas, 105 carries, 5.6 ypc
Frank Gore, 112 carries, 5.4 ypc
Jamaal Charles, 78 carries, 5.2 ypc
DeAngelo Williams, 197 carries, 5.2 ypc
Rashard Mendenhall, 134 carries, 5.1 ypc
Ricky Williams, 154 carries, 5.1 ypc
Reggie Bush, 55 carries, 5.0 ypc
Ray Rice, 148 carries, 5.0 ypc


and yes, I just did that to show case the Dallas runners (Barber is a 4.6 btw)...

* Rice/Mendenhall/Pierre/Bush don't have week 12 added...
Less carries equal more YPC, especially for change-of-pace guys. This is no surprise.

The real surprises on this list are DeAngelo Williams, Chris Johnson, Frank Gore, Mendenhall and Ray Rice, because those guys are all full-time backs that haven't suffered serious injuries to limit their carries. Ricky Williams' numbers are impressive, as well. He is slowly climbing up my Top 10 RB list with each passing week.

He looks better now than he ever has. The Dolphins' system and offensive line helps, but Ricky is playing out of his mind. Ronnie Brown's job my be at risk, in fact.
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Less carries equal more YPC, especially for change-of-pace guys. This is no surprise.

The real surprises on this list are DeAngelo Williams, Chris Johnson, Frank Gore, Mendenhall and Ray Rice, because those guys are all full-time backs that haven't suffered serious injuries to limit their carries. Ricky Williams' numbers are impressive, as well. He is slowly climbing up my Top 10 RB list with each passing week.

He looks better now than he ever has. The Dolphins' system and offensive line helps, but Ricky is playing out of his mind. Ronnie Brown's job my be at risk, in fact.
not always...

Marshawn Lynch, 90 carries, 3.1 ypc
Darren Sproles, 69 carries, 3.3 ypc
Derrick Ward, 79 carries, 3.4 ypc
Chester Taylor, 67 carries, 3.7 ypc
ect...
ect...
ect...


but yeah, I do understand your point, it is easier with a fresh set of feet and a new running style...but those high ypc are still impressive regardless...
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Had no idea Reggie Bush was averaging five per.
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CJ- 199 carries, 1242 yrds, 6.2ypc, 9 total TD's, 30 rec for 262 yrds, 1 fumble
AP- 205 carries, 999 yrds, 4.9 ypc, 11 total TD's, 25 rec 215 yrds, 4 fumbles

Has Chris Johnson replaced Adrian Peterson for the best RB in the league? His stats definitely say so and is better in almost every statistical category. He also didn't have a top passing game like AP to keep defenses honest and they weren't in a position to run the ball as much due to the Titans record.

CJ is quicker (might be the fastest back in the league)...and can hold onto the rock...

But I will take AP anyday.....I still think AP is the best back in the league dispite the stats...keep in mind that his stats are down due to the fact that they have Brett Farve...and not Tavaras Jackson handing him the rock 50 times a game because he cant make a 15 yrd pass...
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CJ is quicker (might be the fastest back in the league)...and can hold onto the rock...

But I will take AP anyday.....I still think AP is the best back in the league dispite the stats...keep in mind that his stats are down due to the fact that they have Brett Farve...and not Tavaras Jackson handing him the rock 50 times a game because he cant make a 15 yrd pass...

LOL "might be".

umm....Chris Johnson "might be" the fastest guy in the entire league and most likely...he is.

Also your stats don't fit the production. The fact that Peterson has Farve and that passing threat means he isn't running against 8 or even 9 man fronts, while teams are stacking the box to stop Chris Johnson and he's killing everybody he goes up against. BTW Adrian is also getting more carries per game than Chris Johnson is.

Yes......this season, Chris Johnson is the best running back in the NFL....hands down. Frankly it's not even really debatable

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