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Old 10-30-2006, 10:41 PM   #76
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If anyone thought Nick was MVP of the Mavs it was in the context of a single game he stepped up in. And anyone can be the key player in a game. Or even a series.

I am tlaking aobut for the playoff run in 2002-2003. When the MAvs went to the WCF.. everyone unanimoulsy said Van Exel was the MVP.. which is just exactly as stupid as saying Wade is MVP with Shaq on his team.

Ive been on ISH since the 01-02 season and the KG/Dirk argument never went away. Even when KG won MVP there was a large number of people saying they wouldnt beat the Nuggets in first round and so on.

That's not what the media would have said. The media would have unanimously said KG was better than Dirk.. KG has an MVP and what has he done to deserve it? Statpad? That's aobut it. Dirk truly deserved MVP the past 2 seasons and didn't get it. But now finally after leading his team to the Finals he might get some respect.. but there are still people who would say KG is better. Yet if KG just led a team to the Finals NO one would be saying Dirk was better. It's pretty simple to udnerstand..

Maybe a third of the board had Marbury as the best point in the league back then and Nash did get some mentions too. Less of course. But some.

The point remains though.. that Dirk and Nash were both incredibly underrated because of their race.. and STILL are. You think that's just going to go away? And it took very very very special circumstances for Nash to get the credit he did for the Suns.Nahs also has an advantage over Dirk in that his game is much more flashy and conventional than Dirk's.


If Dirk and NAsh are so great. Than why no finals apperances. Im sure if you put Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant or Lebron or Wade on the same team and surround them with the talent they have they would have a couple championships.

Why couldnt these great players get it done???? You said this guy is better than Bird, and Nash is the best pg in the league and you give them former all stars in their prime and they cant eeven get to the finals

Also Dirk has guys that can make shots. Jason Terry shots over 40% from 3, Howard over 40%. Stackhouse has a decent jumper as well.
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Wow conventional and flashy at the same time. Interesting

How are those contradictory? Nash palys the point guard position conventionally. He is a pass first point guard. Dirk plays power forward like a shooting guard. Nash's passing game is more entertaining than a jumpshooter.
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:46 PM   #78
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Like Kobe, Wade and LeBron play any defense? At least Dirk rebounds.. something Wade, Kobe and LeBron don't do.


Kobe played on far far far more stacked teams than Dirk as Did Wade.. even LeBron has a great great team around him. Wade had Sha and Zo. and Walker.. just ridiculous.






He only expanded it enough to beat the Spurs.. Dirk doesn't need to expand his game.. his teamamtes do.. they can't do anyhting.. they can't shoot.. can't defend.. his team stinks.



And just surround him with teammates that can't hit a wide open shot..
All defensive first team for the fourth time and he plays no defense? Walker is a great player to have on your team? Lebron has better teammates than Dirk? Dumb****.
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:47 PM   #79
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How is Wade being full of himself and how is that "trash-talking"? He simply responded to Dirk's little comment. What did you expect him to say? Admit that it was Dallas' crappy D that was truly Finals MVP and not him? You haters gotta come stronger than that.

Success just breeds hate I guess. Kobe knows about that. Now, the Wade-hatred bandwagon is at full force... although Kobe haters will always outnumber any other hater group in the NBA (probably more to do with the fact that he's a smug jerk though).
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:49 PM   #80
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Like Kobe, Wade and LeBron play any defense? At least Dirk rebounds.. something Wade, Kobe and LeBron don't do.

wow...just wow
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If Dirk and NAsh are so great. Than why no finals apperances.

Becuase they are too similar.. they are both essentially guards -- mainly perimeter players. Their games didn't compliment each other as much as they could have. They were redundant. They both need a low post presence to be their best. But I do think the the MAVS would be better if Nash was sitll on the team. They might have won it last season if that was the case. But they would also still be underrated as well. Both of them would have lost credit to the other.

Im sure if you put Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant or Lebron or Wade on the same team and surround them with the talent they have they would have a couple championships.

Those are more complimentary players. Put Dirk with Duncan and they would look better than Wade and Duncan or Kobe and Duncan.. because Dirk is BETTER than Wade and Kobe.. and more unselfish. We have never seen how good Dirk can be because he has never had a truly complimentary player. And/Or a decent bigman.

Why couldnt these great players get it done???? You said this guy is better than Bird, and Nash is the best pg in the league and you give them former all stars in their prime and they cant eeven get to the finals

The allstars that were on the Mavs were also redundant. More perimeter scorers.

The problem happened when the Mavs were being built. They didn't build the inside of the team properly.. then they were too good to get bigmen through the draft to put next to Dirk.. and because Dirk is so underrated bigmen free agents like Malone and Zo won't go to the Mavs. So they have no way to get the players the Mavs truly need.

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Even before I read this I had the sense that DWade was the kind of player to let his early success go to his head. I still believe that to be the case.
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Wade is a freaking joke. A whole new season is starting and the one that won the ship still isnt over it. Thats pretty sad. Wade is just another benefit of shaq. I dont see how anybody doesnt see that because its one of the most obvious things ever. And BTW why does everyone assume that you are racist if u think dirk is 5 or 6. I mean isnt that close enough? The difference between 5 and 1 isnt the color of someone's skin. You are racist for accusing someone of being racist. Racist bastards!!!!
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Those ar emore complimentary players. Put Dirk with Duncna and they would look bett6er than Wade and Duncan or Kobe and Duncan.. because Dirk is BETTER than Wade and Kobe.. and more unselfish. We have never seen how good Dirk cna be bcause he has never had a truly complimentary player. And/Or a decent bigman.

keep thinking that. If Dirk was as great as you beleive, you wouldnt have to make the excuse of who compliments him...

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TIM DUNCAN IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. Then kobe then dirk then lebron then wade.
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Why 5 or 6? Why not numbe rone? Because he's white? He can only be 5 or 6? Who is better than him? some young players that have never done anything on their own?

I know your seriously not trying to make a race thing...




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Like Kobe, Wade and LeBron play any defense? At least Dirk rebounds.. something Wade, Kobe and LeBron don't do.

Mf'er is 7' ft power forward. He supposed to rebound, dummy. And even then Kobe, Wade, and Bron avg 5+ boards career wise from swingman/guard posistion which is damn good.

And Kobe, Wade, Bron ALL DEFEND(especially Kobe) at their respective posistions a HUNDRED times better than Dirk. Undebatable too.




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Kobe played on far far far more stacked teams than Dirk as Did Wade.. even LeBron has a great great team around him. Wade had Sha and Zo. and Walker.. just ridiculous.

Son said Antoine Walker...

Dirk played with the great Antoine Walker too, along with Antawn Jamison, and the two time MVP in Steve Nash and didn't win ****. Explain that for me will ya??...


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He only expanded it enough to beat the Spurs.. Dirk doesn't need to expand his game.. his teamamtes do.. they can't do anyhting.. they can't shoot.. can't defend.. his team stinks.

That why Josh Howard and Jason Terry shoot the three at 40% clip right?

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keep thinking that. If Dirk was as great as you beleive, you wouldnt have to make the excuse of who compliments him...

And if Kobe didn't play with Shaq he probably wouldn't be in the league today... he probaly would have been kicked out of it -- just like his father.
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TIM DUNCAN IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. Then kobe then dirk then lebron then wade.

You claim Wade is the fifth best player in the league, yet in your last post, you said "Wade is a freaking joke."

Explain. Please, enlighten me.
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And if Kobe didn't play with Shaq he probably wouldn't be in the league today... he probaly would have been kicked out of it -- just like his father.
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And if Kobe didn't play with Shaq he probably wouldn't be in the league today... he probaly would have been kicked out of it -- just like his father.

WOW..did you just seriously say that???? omfg
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