Well Howard is clearly a tier higher than Bogut is, but Bosh is mostly a jumpshooter and is a few years more experienced. I don't think what Bosh does is all that special, and I think Bogut needs another year or two before he can be expected to be his true consistent self.
Amare was head and shoulders above Bogut before, but we don't know where he's at now. And Oden hasn't played anything higher than high school yet.
So Tier 1: Howard, Yao
Tier 1 if healthy: Amare
Tier 2: Bosh
Tier 2.5: Bogut, Villanueva
Tier ????: Oden
Bogut is a nice part to a team, but I don't think he's ever the franchise player those other players are/will be, you know?
We both agree that Bogut won't be a true franchise player - I'm just not sure if I think Bosh is one.
Howard and Yao to me are or will be capable of leading average teams to the playoffs. Bosh has never been to the playoffs, even though the East hasn't been at full strentgh during his three years in the league.
My prediction for Bogut is that he'll be a many-times all star - maybe five, six times, and he'll put up good stats throughout his career on good teams (hopefully the Bucks!). He won't carry a team, but he hopefully won't have to. The Bucks are Redd's team, not Bogut's.
Because this is Redd's team, I haven't really been comparing Bogut to Bosh, who has to lead a team himself. I'm comparing Bogut and CV to the teammates that Arenas, Wade, Kobe, Pierce, Lebron have, and saying that while Redd may not be as complete a player as those guys, he seems to have more help.
As Bogut and Charlie continue to evolve, Redd will have less and less attention on him from the defense. He'll be playing 1v1 like the other stars wish they could. If our two young stars can learn to block some shots and contribute on D, we'll be a very solid team.
I was just checking out your threads and I couldnt believe how many of you dont consider Bosh a franchise player and place him in such low regard. He was 21 years old and an Allstar, Dream team player in his 2nd year in the league. Bogut is a nice player....but he's no Chris Bosh. Howard is a great player too, but he hasnt proven anything yet.
P.S. Bosh was wicked last night on both sides of the court.
First of all, Bosh has had a different team every year and players have been getting traded left and right, so who has he really had to lead? Vince Carter got traded and they basically got back nothing in return. Whether a player is a good team leader or not does not depend on whether they make the playoffs in their first 3 years. As a matter of fact, in that same weak eastern conference, Lebron James has only made the playoffs once, and do people say that he is not really a team leader? Andrew Bogut was an important piece to the Milwaukee puzzle, but they were a decent team and a playoff team before he got there. He wasn't vital to there success and I think he still isn't.