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Old 01-25-2010, 03:38 PM   #16
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Default Re: Would you be shocked if Cavs don't trade Big Z's expiring contract?

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Hey, never know. Who'd have thought Artest would take the MLE? When you're an elite team it seems like guys'll accept below market value to win.
No playoff teams were offering Artest more than the mid-level anyway. Think of the teams with cap space last summer... Detroit, Toronto, Portland, Memphis... none were interested in him.

His only alternative was to re-sign with Houston, but he opted to take the mid-level with the Lakers. Next summer when about 10 teams will have more than mid-level cap space, someone will offer these guys more.... so at that point you have to ask whether any of them are in the situation where they are ready to take less money to win right now to win with a better team.

-Scola? no... he's on a rookie contract. And at his age this is the last chance to make good money.
-Lee? no... he's also looking for big money, he won't get less than he's currently making ($7M).
-Harrington? Maybe, IDK. The teams with cap space may not want to sign him for what he's asking and all he'll be left with are MLE type offers.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:42 PM   #17
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Default Re: Would you be shocked if Cavs don't trade Big Z's expiring contract?

quote from last season

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-081213-14

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More than one team we spoke to suggested that the rampaging Cavs, widely expected to move Wally Szczerbiak's $13.8 million expiring contract before the February deadline to make their team even stronger, could well decide to stand pat, with team chemistry in such a good place after the offseason acquisition of Mo Williams, and with Szczerbiak and Ben Wallace looking far more comfortable now than they did last season after their in-season moves to Cleveland. "They're starting to believe they can win it all the way they are," said one Western Conference exec.

and we know they ended up not moving wally's contract. so could this serve as evidence that they won't trade big z as to not mess up chemistry, or is it even more incentive to trade him- seeing as how they did not win it all last year, could they have won it last year had they moved wally for another piece? and its not like they would be even losing big z, whereas they would be losing wally. they would most likely get him back with a buyout.

bottom line- i would be surprised if they did NOT trade him. not trading wally's contract last season may have hurt them in the playoffs as they didn't have enough pieces to beat orlando. they shouldn't repeat that mistake.
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:42 PM   #18
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Default Re: Would you be shocked if Cavs don't trade Big Z's expiring contract?

I was surprised last year when they didn't move wally and other expiring contracts at the deadline like everyone assumed they would so this year I wont make an assumption but i wouldn't be surprised one way or another.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:04 PM   #19
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Default Re: Would you be shocked if Cavs don't trade Big Z's expiring contract?

Pretty bogus they didn't trade Wally last year. They could have had a solid starter for him (Vince Carter last year) and they now have nothing to show for him or his expiring deal. Could have done a lot better.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:07 PM   #20
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i think they do just b/c last season they could have had a lot of good players like shaq or vince carter and some others if they traded wally, it could be a reason they lost to orlando, so they feel forced to trade Z, plus hed prob be bought out
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Pretty bogus they didn't trade Wally last year. They could have had a solid starter for him (Vince Carter last year) and they now have nothing to show for him or his expiring deal. Could have done a lot better.


why bring over VC and screw with chemistry when the cavs looked fine at the time? Cleveland was in the market for a big, there were no teams biting on the wally deal. For example the suns wanted Ben's K, not Wally's for Shaq. Ferry didn't want to make a move for the sake of making a move.
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:26 PM   #22
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what is that supposed to say?

Here, read this NBA Salary Cap FAQ:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

It will help you understand how expiring contracts, and cap space works.

my bad, ur right
i forgot that the cavs had so much cap space used up even with shaq/big z expiring. gibson at 4 mill per, as much as parker/moon combined... ehh =\

for that reason, i agree with ur sentiments
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:27 PM   #23
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why bring over VC and screw with chemistry when the cavs looked fine at the time? Cleveland was in the market for a big, there were no teams biting on the wally deal. For example the suns wanted Ben's K, not Wally's for Shaq. Ferry didn't want to make a move for the sake of making a move.

Why because you take a talent upgrade over a one year rental on an ailing jump shooter. They showed by bringing in Shaq that they weren't afraid to make a big move. And the fact they lost last year shows that something went wrong, hindsight is 20/20 but I said at the time they should have moved Wally for an upgrade.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:31 PM   #24
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Yes and I will be shocked if he is not bought out or retires.

I can not see Big Z ever putting on another teams jersey

Even though a possible trade using his contract would be a smart move on the Cav's part ...

I still think Z is important in the playoff run , he still boards , plays d AND CAN STRETCH THE POST players with his offensive game.

And the most telling factoid - Cav's stuck by him through all those foot operations and years when he couldn't play. Z could of signed with another team , but resigned with the Cav's for this run.
Loyality runs through the team organization as well as the player.

Just can't see a trade happening - using him.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:33 PM   #25
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Even though a possible trade using his contract would be a smart move on the Cav's part ...

I still think Z is important in the playoff run , he still boards , plays d AND CAN STRETCH THE POST players with his offensive game.

And the most telling factoid - Cav's stuck by him through all those foot operations and years when he couldn't play. Z could of signed with another team , but resigned with the Cav's for this run.
Loyality runs team in the organization as well as the player.

Just can't see a trade happening - using him.

Read the whole post. I think we will trade him. But he will ask for a buy out from the team or just retire on the spot.
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:40 PM   #26
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The guy I think that has made the Cav's alittle scary to the rest of the league , is JJ.
Cav's were kind of weak on the frontline , and with JJ and Shaq there is a presence in the lane now.

West , Parker and even Moon could be moved for another big as long as Mo comes back healthy.

Even this new guy from the development league , if he shows he has handles and can play some 'd' - he could see a contract for the rest of the year , and he would come cheap.
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Read the whole post. I think we will trade him. But he will ask for a buy out from the team or just retire on the spot.

You keep a guy thru thick and thin over the years , so that when the icing on the cake banner year comes - you dump him

Yea I am sure lots of players would like to hook up with an organization that shows that kind of loyality.

READ that post -------
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:03 PM   #28
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Trading Z would be stupid because they already have a perfect squad... why get rid of their only backup C? Arguably the best in the league...

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