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Old 12-24-2014, 06:30 PM   #1
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Default Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

Westbook
Curry
Wall
CP3
Lillard
Irving
Lowry
Dragic
Teague
Conley

^All of the above are playing at an all star level.

Then you got Parker, Rose and Rondo who are elite when healthy, Brandon Knight, Darren Collison, Eric Bledsoe, Kemba Walker, Aaron Brooks, Ty Lawson, etc.

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Old 12-24-2014, 06:32 PM   #2
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Default Re: Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

Irving should be in that bottom list, Ty Lawson should be in the top 10 instead of him
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:37 PM   #3
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Default Re: Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

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Starting PG's With at Least 15.0 PER


......1997..............................2014

Penny Hardaway................. Russell Westbrook
Gary Payton....................... Chris Paul
Jason Kidd......................... Tony Parker
Tim Hardaway.................... John Wall
Kevin Johnson.................... Steph Curry
Allen Iverson...................... Monta Ellis
Nick Van Exel..................... Kyrie Irving
John Stockton.................... Rajon Rondo
Sam Cassell....................... Goran Dragic
Stephon Marbury................ Damian Lillard
Terrell Brandon.................. Jeff Teague
Damon Stoudamire............. Ty Lawson
Mookie Blaylock.................. Kyle Lowry
Rod Strickland.................... Deron Williams
Kenny Anderson................. Eric Bledsoe
Darrick Martin.................... Mike Conley
Mark Price......................... Jrue Holiday
Greg Anthony..................... Isiah Thomas
David Wesley..................... Kemba Walker


pretty close if you ask me - slight edge to 2014, which doesn't make up for the 2014 deficits at the SG, SF, PF, and C positions.
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Irving should be in that bottom list, Ty Lawson should be in the top 10 instead of him

Irving haters are ridiculous.

20/3/5 on 47% shooting, far more efficient than Lawson while being 4 years younger
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Default Re: Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

At one point you had at the SG position:

Kobe
Wade
Mcgrady
Iverson
Ray Allen
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce
Michael Redd
Ginobili
Rip Hamilton
Joe Johnson
Jason Terry
Jason Richardson

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Default Re: Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

This is nothing but a semantic and technical occurence. The rule changes and lax defenses have made life indispensably easier for perimeter players, it's really much easier to acquire numbers and run the offense as opposed to yesteryear. Even looking at them play, these players are nothing but mostly jumpshooters, with most of them having questionable shot selection and floor general intelligence. These players are good for their particular time, but nowhere near hall of fame level or great in an all-time sense, w/ the exception of Paul (pre-injury), Rose (pre-injury) and maybe Parker. The jury's still out on Westbrook and Rondo.

It's really quite silly to compare these players to all-time great PG's and HOFs, as it's truly hard to say that PG's today were ever as good as JoJo White, Earl Monroe, Tiny, Tim Hardaway, or even as transcendent talents like Anfernee and KJ. Again, great athletic talents, capable competitors, but only great for this weak era. The fact that Curry and Harden are MVP candidates is laughable...
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Irving haters are ridiculous.

20/3/5 on 47% shooting, far more efficient than Lawson while being 4 years younger
Isaiah Thomas last year 20/3/6 as a 3rd option on 46% with no defense and little to no playmaking ability while playing against better opposition ....I guess he was top ten as well, even Mike James when 20 and 5 one year in Toronto.
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Default Re: Has any position ever been as deep as today's PG?

The small forwards of the early to mid 80's. You had Bird, Doc, Nique, English, Dantley, Bernard King, Worthy, Marques Johnson on the first tier.

Then you also had very good players like Vandeweghe, Jamaal Wilkes, Xavier McDaniel, Calvin Natt, Mark Aguirre, Walter Davis, Kelly Tripucka, Eddie Johnson etc.

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Center in the early 70's

KAJ
Wilt
Thurmond
Reed
Cowens
Unseld
Bellamy
Hayes
Lanier
McAdoo
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Gilmore (ABA)
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90s centers

Hakeem
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Robinson
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Is that list in order ?
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This is nothing but a semantic and technical occurence. The rule changes and lax defenses have made life indispensably easier for perimeter players, it's really much easier to acquire numbers and run the offense as opposed to yesteryear. Even looking at them play, these players are nothing but mostly jumpshooters, with most of them having questionable shot selection and floor general intelligence. These players are good for their particular time, but nowhere near hall of fame level or great in an all-time sense, w/ the exception of Paul (pre-injury), Rose (pre-injury) and maybe Parker. The jury's still out on Westbrook and Rondo.

It's really quite silly to compare these players to all-time great PG's and HOFs, as it's truly hard to say that PG's today were ever as good as JoJo White, Earl Monroe, Tiny, Tim Hardaway, or even as transcendent talents like Anfernee and KJ. Again, great athletic talents, capable competitors, but only great for this weak era. The fact that Curry and Harden are MVP candidates is laughable...
Do you know what semantic means? Because I'm not sure that you do.
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Is that list in order ?
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How many of those are true floor generals? Game changed.
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