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Old 04-20-2010, 07:04 PM   #46
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Lmao you gotta be joking me. LeBron isn't even a better defender then Dwyane Wade, never mind guys like Perkins, Josh Smith, Artest or Battier.


but didn't you see him running down guys on the fastbreak and blocking their shots?
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but didn't you see him running down guys on the fastbreak and blocking their shots?

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Lmao you gotta be joking me. LeBron isn't even a better defender then Dwyane Wade, never mind guys like Perkins, Josh Smith, Artest or Battier.
To be fair, it doesn't matter. Because the media decides on this, not you or our casual fans. And Lebron is definitely a better defender than Ron Artest. Use a screen against Ron Artest and you'll rain on the Lakers all day, use a screen against Lebron and who knows what will happen.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:16 PM   #49
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To be fair, it doesn't matter. Because the media decides on this, not you or our casual fans. And Lebron is definitely a better defender than Ron Artest. Use a screen against Ron Artest and you'll rain on the Lakers all day, use a screen against Lebron and who knows what will happen.

When talking about defending the teams best player, Most of coaches would choose Artest over LeBron if they had both on their team.

Artest has shown that he can lock down\ limit star players constantly (See Durant in game 1, Wade both times they played, etc. etc.) He's a defensive specialist, the guy has games where he gets 5-10 tips a game which won't show up on the boxscore.

And of course LeBron will be high up in DPOY because the media chooses it, because they are all over him for averaging 1 BPG because he chases people down.
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When talking about defending the teams best player, Most of coaches would choose Artest over LeBron if they had both on their team.

Artest has shown that he can lock down\ limit star players constantly (See Durant in game 1, Wade both times they played, etc. etc.) He's a defensive specialist, the guy has games where he gets 5-10 tips a game which won't show up on the boxscore.

And of course LeBron will be high up in DPOY because the media chooses it, because they are all over him for averaging 1 BPG because he chases people down.
Lebron has had his moments of shutting down players as well, not a lot but he's had his moments. And No, If Lebron was given the same role as Artest, he would definitely be more successful than Artest. If Lebron's job was to just play defense, rebound, and hustle all game long, then Lebron would be better at it than Artest.

See what he did in Team USA, he had a very good defensive outcome in his time there.
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Lebron has had his moments of shutting down players as well, not a lot but he's had his moments. And No, If Lebron was given the same role as Artest, he would definitely be more successful than Artest. If Lebron's job was to just play defense, rebound, and hustle all game long, then Lebron would be better at it than Artest.

See what he did in Team USA, he had a very good defensive outcome in his time there.

But it's not his role because his role is to be the #1 option on offence, so we would never know how he would do in Artests role now would we? It takes defense to play heart.

Plus whats next? If LeBron was in Prime Shaq's role to dominate the post he would average 30\15 and put up 40\20 in the finals as well?
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:43 PM   #52
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He's a defensive specialist, the guy has games where he gets 5-10 tips a game which won't show up on the boxscore.

What do you mean ? Like he deflects the ball and a teammate comes up with it ? Artest would get the steal on the boxscore in that scenario.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:54 PM   #54
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So no all team first defense for lebron?
Because 3-5 according to this will look like
Wallace
Smith
Howard

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So no all team first defense for lebron?
Because 3-5 according to this will look like
Wallace
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DPOY --> Media
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So no all team first defense for lebron?
Because 3-5 according to this will look like
Wallace
Smith
Howard


Shawn Marion finished 3rd in the NBA Defensive Player voting a couple of years go, but he was not voted by the Coaches in the NBA All Defensive Team.

No All team first defense for Kobe this year cause Rondo and Wade are a much better defender than him.

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DPOY --> Media
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Shawn Marion finished 3rd in the NBA Defensive Player voting a couple of years go, but he was not voted by the Coaches in the NBA All Defensive Team.

No All team first defense for Kobe this year cause Rondo and Wade are a much better defender than him.



Thats even worse for Lebron the media is his best friend opposed to coaching staff. And where did Kobe come from? A lil insecure much?
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Thats even worse for Lebron the media is his best friend opposed to coaching staff. And where did Kobe come from? A lil insecure much?


Because you said that Kobe is a better defender than LeBron. LeBron rightfully deserve to be voted in the All NBA Defensive team. Did you watch LeBron shutdown scoring machine Danny Grangers, and his teammates last month?

Don't worry Kobe would be included in the All NBA Defensive Team because of his past reputation.
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Because you said that Kobe is a better defender than LeBron. LeBron rightfully deserve to be voted in the All NBA Defensive team. Did you watch LeBron shutdown scoring machine Danny Grangers, and his teammates last month?

Don't worry Kobe would be included in the All NBA Defensive Team because of his past reputation.
I could care less.
Artest shut down Granger, Carmelo, gave Dwade and lebron Christmas game a fit. 4 and 5 spots are already guaranteed to smith & howard. The 3 spot is between artest, lebron, wallace. Lets just say its not looking good for him.
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I could care less.
Artest shut down Granger, Carmelo, gave Dwade and lebron Christmas game a fit. 4 and 5 spots are already guaranteed to smith & howard. The 3 spot is between artest, lebron, wallace. Lets just say its not looking good for him.

NBA Defensive Stats (2008-09 NBA Season)

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Here goes wades case for making it over Kobe and why Lberon was the easiest choice.

Their opponents eFG% against them:

Lebron (PF): 41.8%
Lebron (SF): 48.2%
Wade (PG): 48.2%
Wade (SF): 48.7%
Kobe (SG): 50.3%
Kobe (SF): 57.3%


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Def PErs

Kobe -

18.2 PER ALLOWED vs PG's

14.1 PER ALLOWED vs SG's

20.6 PER ALLOWED VS SF's

http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAL4.HTM
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Wade-

18.4 PER ALLOWED vs PG's

15.4 PER ALLOWED vs SG's

23.5 PER ALLOWED vs SF's

http://www.82games.com/0809/08MIA5.HTM

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Lebron-

13.6 PER ALLOWED vs SF's

14.2 PER ALLOWE vs PF's

20.0 PER ALLOWED vs C's

http://www.82games.com/0809/08CLE9.HTM

^^as you can see, lebron has the best individual PERs Allowed while Wade is the worst


Now Lets looks at their impact on team D when either of them sits..

cavs w/o Lebron = -8.4

heat w/o wade = -2.8

lakers 1/0 Kobe = +1.4

http://www.82games.com/0809/ONSORT6.HTM

^^This stat basically shows the impact they have on their team D. Cavs are a whopping -8.4 when Lberon sits and are the best defensive team in the league when he plays. That speaks for itsself. Lakers are better on team D when KObe is out of the game

http://www.82games.com/0809/ONSORT6.HTM


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Now lets looks at their "clutch d" stats

Kobe = 0.0 blks and 1.0 stls

Wade = 4.9 blks and 3.0 stls

Lebron = 1.7 blks and 3.5 stls

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

^^basically this further prooves my point that Wade is the best offball/help defender in the game with Lberon right behind him. KObe is not even in the same league.

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Take all of these defensive stats into consideration

Impact on team D

1.Lebron
2.Wade
3.KObe


Impact as an individual defender (PER allowed)

1.Lberon
2.Kobe
3.Wade


Impact as an offball/help defender in the clutch

1.Wade
2.lebron
3.Kobe

Excellent post from DieselJ.
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