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Old 04-21-2010, 06:17 PM   #31
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Old 04-21-2010, 06:19 PM   #32
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wait, am I being asked to start a new game thread?

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Old 04-21-2010, 06:24 PM   #35
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wait, am I being asked to start a new game thread?
No, you're being called out as the most obvious, visible and worthy of the ISH Mavs fans, who didn't start a game thread. A healthy nudge to start the next one kentatm.
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The problem is if the spurs double dirk, they arent athletic enough to recover to the remaining mavs. Its one thing to double if you are super athletic or have a great shot blocker but the spurs have neither(no duncan isnt a great shotblocker anymore). The other big thing that kills them is that if we have too, dirk can come alot closer to guarding duncan than duncan can to guarding dirk. All of that said, Dirk wont be as hot as he was last game(would be awesome if he was though) and the mavs only have two other players that can shoot besides dirk(kidd and terry) so if i was the spurs id pack the lane and hope that the mavs go cold because quite frankly the mavs are just better than the spurs and thats the only hope they have.

Yeah, we just don't have any guys who can just jump out of the gym and into passing lanes like we'd need to in order to double Dirk. But when all else fails, it's time to change your tactics, and Matt Bonner guarding Dirk 1 on 1 isn't going to get us back in this series. The Mavs are too good of shooters to leave them open, but we aren't good enough rebounders to be outnumbered in the lane. So it's really a pick your poison kind of deal.
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I don't even know what to say about Richard Jefferson. Is it a confidence issue, or is he just headed downhill, is it the Spurs' system? I don't know. But for a guy, who is expected to be a difference maker and a major scoring option on this team, to only take 4 shot attempts in a playoff game is outrageous. You scored 20 PPG last season, RJ. Did you leave your skill set in Milwaukee? Step it up.

Great post BTW. just want to comment on this part though. Jefferson never had to play with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili (all players with high usage-%) in Milwaukee. Last season Jefferson lead the Bucks in minutes played, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, and points. Needless to say, big difference from this season. Personally, I put about 65% of the blame on Jefferson himself for being unconfident and slow-to-adapt this season, but I also place a good 35% of the blame on the coaching staff and point guards (particularly Parker) for not having "go to" plays and offensive game plans designed with RJ in mind. Of the 78 FGA last game for SA, the big three took 52 of those shots. Considering Jefferson averages basically 40 MPG and 11 FGA in previous playoffs, there just wasn't alot of looks for him in his 32 minutes, and picking up two early fouls undoubtedly hampered his game... Basically, I def agree he needs to step up, but he needs more opportunities to do it IMO.
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No, you're being called out as the most obvious, visible and worthy of the ISH Mavs fans, who didn't start a game thread. A healthy nudge to start the next one kentatm.


heh, the one from game one was made by a Cavs fan as well.


I would have preferred a series thread over individual game threads though.



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Yeah, we just don't have any guys who can just jump out of the gym and into passing lanes like we'd need to in order to double Dirk. But when all else fails, it's time to change your tactics, and Matt Bonner guarding Dirk 1 on 1 isn't going to get us back in this series. The Mavs are too good of shooters to leave them open, but we aren't good enough rebounders to be outnumbered in the lane. So it's really a pick your poison kind of deal.
thats the thing, we arent too good of shooters. Caron/marion/damp/haywood/jj/stevenson can all be left open without any fear of them hitting jumpers.

And no matt bonner guarding dirk one on one isnt the answer. The best thing to do would be to put timmy on him and hope that them both being superstars would let timmy get away with being super physical. The risk you run there is that A) timmy cant guard him without fouling which puts it on the refs to let him get away with things. B) it takes a ton out of his legs and you need him on O and C) if the refs do call the fouls on him, hes in foul trouble and there goes the game.
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Great post BTW. just want to comment on this part though. Jefferson never had to play with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili (all players with high usage-%) in Milwaukee. Last season Jefferson lead the Bucks in minutes played, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, and points. Needless to say, big difference from this season. Personally, I put about 65% of the blame on Jefferson himself for being unconfident and slow-to-adapt this season, but I also place a good 35% of the blame on the coaching staff and point guards (particularly Parker) for not having "go to" plays and offensive game plans designed with RJ in mind. Of the 78 FGA last game for SA, the big three took 52 of those shots. Considering Jefferson averages basically 40 MPG and 11 FGA in previous playoffs, there just wasn't alot of looks for him in his 32 minutes, and picking up two early fouls undoubtedly hampered his game... Basically, I def agree he needs to step up, but he needs more opportunities to do it IMO.

Point is that the great players can adjust their game in order to be successful. Your saying the partial blame is on the coaching staff and the point guards but last year in Milwaukee RJ didn't have guys setting him up for his 20 points a night. He was relied on to make his own shot and do his own thing most of the time. Yes, more shot attempts could be the reason for that. But honestly this team doesn't have enough talent to take shots away from him. If anything, he needs to realize that we need him to put the ball in the basket. As long as he doesn't take away from Manu, Duncan or Parker (Hill being out with an injury is an exception) who are going to get their shots up regardless, then the coaching staff should be fine with him taking some shots away from Mason, Bogans, Bonner, even McDyess. The guy has a pretty solid midrange game, but if he isn't shooting the ball how is he supposed to produce? He's not a defender, he's not a playmaker, a decent rebounder but that's not where he excels. It's putting the ball in the hoop where he's at his best and needs to take 8-12 shots tonight if he plans on producing in the scoring column at all. He doesn't need to seddle for corner threes either, he's not Bruce Bowen. He needs to do his own thing. Even isolate him on the wing if he's got a mismatch or something. When Duncan is doing his thing in the lane, get RJ slashing from the weak side. But he needs something to get his game going.
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thats the thing, we arent too good of shooters. Caron/marion/damp/haywood/jj/stevenson can all be left open without any fear of them hitting jumpers.

And no matt bonner guarding dirk one on one isnt the answer. The best thing to do would be to put timmy on him and hope that them both being superstars would let timmy get away with being super physical. The risk you run there is that A) timmy cant guard him without fouling which puts it on the refs to let him get away with things. B) it takes a ton out of his legs and you need him on O and C) if the refs do call the fouls on him, hes in foul trouble and there goes the game.

You'd be surprised how good we've made you guys look the last couple years in regards to outside shooting. The way I see it is that sometimes you guys can't miss when you're open. Butler is decent, made some nice jumpers in the third and early fourth to build that double digit lead in Game 1. Barea isn't a bad shooter but not a guy we'd want to leave open either. Marion isn't really a spot up guy, and your bigs really aren't guys who would step outside anyway. Kidd and Terry are really our biggest threats from the perimeter, but sometimes we even forget that Kidd has that range and give him open looks.

Don't look for Duncan to guard Dirk unless it's the last few minutes of a close game, when even most likely he wouldn't be the guy. But Duncan has lost a step or two and I could see Dirk taking advantage of his slow movement and blowing by him for layups honestly. I'm really curious to see if Pop changes up our defensive strategies at all or just hopes that Dirk isn't as hot as he was in Game 1. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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thats the thing, we arent too good of shooters. Caron/marion/damp/haywood/jj/stevenson can all be left open without any fear of them hitting jumpers.

And no matt bonner guarding dirk one on one isnt the answer. The best thing to do would be to put timmy on him and hope that them both being superstars would let timmy get away with being super physical. The risk you run there is that A) timmy cant guard him without fouling which puts it on the refs to let him get away with things. B) it takes a ton out of his legs and you need him on O and C) if the refs do call the fouls on him, hes in foul trouble and there goes the game.


Wait what?

No, no, no.

The Spurs tried doubling Dirk LAST year and that completely failed.

Caron is just as good as JHo at hitting jumpers or driving and last year JHo tore the Spurs up when his man left to double.

Marion is not going to just stand there if his man leaves him. He will cut to the basket for an inside shot. He is shooting about 50% this year b/c of that.

Damp and Haywood won't need to hit jumpers as they will be right under the basket. They catch the ball after their man leaves and its either an easy score or the Spurs fouling 90% of the time.

JJB likewise was a pain for the Spurs last year and made them pay when they ignored him.

Stevenson likely won't even play except for in certain situations so there is no reason to bring him up. However, I will note that he seemed to be shooting his 3 pointers a bit better near the end of the year.

Kidd is now a legit 3 point threat who can't be left open.

on top of that, if Terry gets uncorked, its over (and BTW Pop places a high priority of shutting down Terry)



The Spurs are at a major disadvantage against the Mavs b/c they no longer have a player that can guard Dirk one on one. The Mavs still have Damp and now Haywood to throw at Duncan and that is where the Mavs win the series.

The Spurs can only win if they limit the Mavs secondary players just as the Mavs win if they stop the Spurs role players. If they double Dirk, they likely get eviscerated. They have to hope that Dampier and Haywood get into foul trouble so Dallas is forced to double Duncan. The Spurs must stay on Dirk one on one and try to get Haywood and especially Dampier into foul trouble.
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