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Old 05-06-2010, 11:10 PM   #166
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Default Re: Round 2: Game 2, May 6th: Atlanta Hawks (0-1) @ Orlando Magic (1-0)

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WTF being 7 feet have to do with anything? He is a defensive/rebounding specialist, just like Gortat.
Gortat is a starter. There is a reason why he was given all that money. He is a better player then Birdman but Birdman is a better bench player then him. Brings much more energy and is a high flyer. Gortat isn't. There are certain players that do better the longer they are in the game. Gortat is one of those players.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:12 PM   #167
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Well looking at what you just said, if no one wants their players then you can't blow the team up. So you use free agency to get some vet help at center and the draft to get a young pg to groom or center to groom. Memphis is the West and blew up that team knowing it didn't have a chance due to the relative youth of the good teams out west. Outside of Orlando and maybe Cleveland that isn't the case in the East. Boston is not going to be around long with such an aging team, who knows what Miami will do, the Bucks are a toss up as are the Bulls and Charlotte is as well. Why completely dismantle your team in that situation?

If Atlanta played Charlotte they might have lost. They have struggled with Charlotte all season. They lost to them by like 30 points one time this year.

Of course they're not going to get a lot of great things back when they trade these guys. But Josh Smith and Al are young enough that teams probably think they can build around these guys. Teams will give young players a chance because GM's and coaches think they can change them. But no team will build a title contender with a player like Josh Smith. He presents too many weaknesses at either position you stick him at.

You tear the team apart because the players on the team simply aren't tough enough or good enough to make a finals run. Charlotte probably will be the better team next year. The Bulls could be and so could the Bucks. They;re by far a worse team in the playoffs than they are in the regular season so you can't just look at win totals.

What Vet center is really going to make a difference that is affordable to a team that doesn't want to go over the cap and is currently capped out? Some over the hill guy like Kurt Thomas?
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:15 PM   #168
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Default Re: Round 2: Game 2, May 6th: Atlanta Hawks (0-1) @ Orlando Magic (1-0)

The Magic just defend and rebound too well.

The Hawks get nothing in transition, and are turned into a halfcourt team.


This is why the Hawks are a flawed playoff team, just like the Suns of the past. In the Playoffs, good defensive teams will eventually force you to play halfcourt... so teams that rely on getting easy buckets in transition have their biggest strength taken away from them.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:16 PM   #169
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If Atlanta played Charlotte they might have lost. They have struggled with Charlotte all season. They lost to them by like 30 points one time this year.

Of course they're not going to get a lot of great things back when they trade these guys. But Josh Smith and Al are young enough that teams probably think they can build around these guys. Teams will give young players a chance because GM's and coaches think they can change them. But no team will build a title contender with a player like Josh Smith. He presents too many weaknesses at either position you stick him at.

You tear the team apart because the players on the team simply aren't tough enough or good enough to make a finals run. Charlotte probably will be the better team next year. The Bulls could be and so could the Bucks. They;re by far a worse team in the playoffs than they are in the regular season so you can't just look at win totals.

What Vet center is really going to make a difference that is affordable to a team that doesn't want to go over the cap and is currently capped out? Some over the hill guy like Kurt Thomas?

Someone like that would give some toughness and vet savvy on Howard. I can understand your frustration, but I just don't see how getting rid of everyone and returning to the crappy days is going to help your franchise.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:19 PM   #170
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Someone like that would give some toughness and vet savvy on Howard. I can understand your frustration, but I just don't see how getting rid of everyone and returning to the crappy days is going to help your franchise.

I don't see how keeping together a team full of role players that only won 50 games because they were the most healthy team in the league is an option that is worthwhile. Losing in the first and 2nd round of the playoffs is a wasted season. Outside of making a finals run is a waste. Nothing else is worth the time. If you have no shot to reach that goal the whole thing is pointless.

With a JKurt Thomas they would still have the droughts they have in the 4th periods. A Kurt Thomas isn't going help with that because he can't even score himself anymore.

The thing people need to remember is that youth doesn't always get a lot better or lead to great things. Teams like Oak City will come in and basically be better than the Hawks than what they do. ATl lost both games to the Thunder this season. Why? Because the Thunder are the Hawks, but they're better at being an athletic team that wants to defend.

The league will have more teams like the Thunder that will leap frog the Hawks. It took the Hawks 6 seasons to build a 50 win team. It didn't take the Thunder that long.

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Old 05-06-2010, 11:27 PM   #171
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Gortat is a starter. There is a reason why he was given all that money. He is a better player then Birdman but Birdman is a better bench player then him. Brings much more energy and is a high flyer. Gortat isn't. There are certain players that do better the longer they are in the game. Gortat is one of those players.


That makes no sense. He plays well off the bench for the Magic when he actually gets in the game. His problem is that he rarely plays.

His per 36 numbers this season were 10/11 with 2.3 blocks.
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Magic beat Hawks 112-98.

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Old 05-06-2010, 11:34 PM   #173
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I don't see how keeping together a team full of role players that only won 50 games because they were the most healthy team in the league is an option that is worthwhile. Losing in the first and 2nd round of the playoffs is a wasted season. Outside of making a finals run is a waste. Nothing else is worth the time. If you have no shot to reach that goal the whole thing is pointless.

With a JKurt Thomas they would still have the droughts they have in the 4th periods. A Kurt Thomas isn't going help with that because he can't even score himself anymore.

The thing people need to remember is that youth doesn't always get a lot better or lead to great things. Teams like Oak City will come in and basically be better than the Hawks than what they do. ATl lost both games to the Thunder this season. Why? Because the Thunder are the Hawks, but they're better at being an athletic team that wants to defend.

The league will have more teams like the Thunder that will leap frog the Hawks. It took the Hawks 6 seasons to build a 50 win team. It didn't take the Thunder that long.

It makes no sense to blow up the team though just to get younger and cheaper unless there is some type of plan. Considering how long it took to get fan support and that people didn't show up when they sucked I'm just not sure that's the smart thing to do. You need a center and and pg up grade. Let Joe go if you want as that would free up some money, right, or would the team still be maxed out salary wise even without him? What up coming free agents do you have?
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:39 PM   #174
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Gortat is a starter. There is a reason why he was given all that money. He is a better player then Birdman but Birdman is a better bench player then him. Brings much more energy and is a high flyer. Gortat isn't. There are certain players that do better the longer they are in the game. Gortat is one of those players.
Pretty much. Most (if not all) of Gortat's best games came from when Dwight was in foul trouble for most of the game.

He had a good game in Game 6 against Philly last year (Dwight was suspended that game for elbowing Sam Dalembert in the head).

11 pts, 15 rebounds and 4 steals.

I could see him being a 3rd or 4th (or 5th) option starter.
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It makes no sense to blow up the team though just to get younger and cheaper unless there is some type of plan. Considering how long it took to get fan support and that people didn't show up when they sucked I'm just not sure that's the smart thing to do. You need a center and and pg up grade. Let Joe go if you want as that would free up some money, right, or would the team still be maxed out salary wise even without him? What up coming free agents do you have?

That's another good point.

How is Atlanta's fanbase overall? I was reading Slam the other day and the article (a Hawk fan from Atlanta) said something along the lines of Atlanta fans only coming if they're doing really well or something like that?
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It makes no sense to blow up the team though just to get younger and cheaper unless there is some type of plan. Considering how long it took to get fan support and that people didn't show up when they sucked I'm just not sure that's the smart thing to do. You need a center and and pg up grade. Let Joe go if you want as that would free up some money, right, or would the team still be maxed out salary wise even without him? What up coming free agents do you have?

If they don't sign him they'll be capped out. I mean, they can go over the cap to sign their own player from what I understand. I'm not totally sure how it works, but that's what everyone says. So, letting him go for nothing has basically no +'s. That's why they're stuck. They will be capped out no matter if they keep him or not. After re-signing Bibby and Marvin Williams they mostly tired their hands. If you trade Josh Smith for a center then you still got a mediocre player like Marvin Williams starting. The guy plays like 33MPG and only gets 10 points and 5 rebounds on average shooting and average defense.

If they try to trade JJ for a PG then your counting on Jamal Crawford to be your starting SG and you have nothing off the bench.

Even if you end up with:

PG:????
SG:Jamal Crawford
SF:Marvin Williams
PF:Al Horford
C:????

What PG and center are you going to get that's good enough to get that team over the Magic? And how are you going to add any depth? Nothing short of a Chris Paul type of PG is really going to help that team. And would that team still be as good as even what Paul had in NO? Not likely.

If Crawford is your best guard then you're probably not going to win many games.

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The Magic are looking dangerous, they ended the season on a good streak and after an inconsistent, injury-plagued season where they were finding chemistry, they're hitting their stride at the perfect time. They kind of remind me of the 2001 Lakers in that regard. Except that team was a 2 man show who happened to have the best player in the league at center and Kobe at SG who was the 2nd best player, behind only Shaq, in the playoffs. However, now Howard and Carter are starting to click, Nelson has emerged and is really playing at an all-star level and Lewis has fit comfortably into the 4th option role despite being a 2-time all-star.



it's just insane how deep this team is....can you imagine having rashard lewis on your team as your 4th option?

unbelievable.
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beautiful...dwight and shard carried us in 1st half...nelson got us going, and vc finally woke up in time to close it out...BRING ON GAME 3!!! will prob end up being closest game of the series...mebbe a game winning shot/attempt to decide it.
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