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Old 05-20-2010, 12:15 PM   #1
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Default Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

I know its very unlikely anyone can win from a casino, in fact it's almost impossible but there are indeed real stories of people making several thousands even millions of dollars from these casinos (through legit and illegitimate ways).

I was wondering if there is really a very skilled player or somehow someone figured out a way to win in the casino consistently and legitimately. (For e.g card counting in blackjack).

Could the casino ban this particular person? I've heard casinos in the states does but what about those in Europe and Asia. Can the person have the right to have entry if he didn't do anything illegal?

Just wondering, anyway these casinos makes so much that I don't think they should even bother an individual winning from them.
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Yes, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't refuse service to someone because of their religion, race, disability, etc.
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

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Yes, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't refuse service to someone because of their religion, race, disability, etc.

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they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
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Yes, they can do whatever they want as long as they don't refuse service to someone because of their religion, race, disability, etc.

They'd probably monitor them closely to see if anything fishy is going on. But they wouldn't refuse them. If fact, they would probably encourage them to stay longer. Eventually you will lose is the theory. Load them up with free alcohol, persuade them to try a new game with harder odds, anything to get them to gamble longer.
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

If someone is card counting and the Casino catches on I'm sure they're going to ban them.

As far as banning someone who is legitimately winning it probably wouldn't happen, unless he came in and won millions every day for a while, if someone had that good of luck it would look like they were cheating.
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

Okay so just wondering are there casinos which actually do not ban card counters? Maybe they allow them to win just because their profits would easily cover up the measly loss from one single skilled individual?
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

counting card is considered cheating.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:26 PM   #9
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

That's exactly how the card counting thing is handled. Because it's not illegal, so long as your not using any outside media to count, so they can't exactly arrest you for it. But they can refuse to deal to you. And while there was a time when they would take you into the back room and deal with you, and there's a certain element that still will, it's too big a business to do that now regularly, so they'll just ban you and that'll be that.

That's actually what happened to that MIT team. They got banned and started going in disguise. I don't know if it was in the movie (I didn't see it), but it was a good chunk in the book. So the casinos knew who they were, and what they were doing, they just couldn't legally do anything other then telling them they weren't welcome anymore.
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Okay so just wondering are there casinos which actually do not ban card counters? Maybe they allow them to win just because their profits would easily cover up the measly loss from one single skilled individual?
If a casino allowed you to card count people would pick up on that and learn themselves, which would be more then "1 measly person". With a little work card counting isn't TOO hard to do (not saying it's easy, but if someone puts the time in they can learn) and if a casino allowed card counting I'm sure it would give people the motivation to learn.
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If someone is card counting and the Casino catches on I'm sure they're going to ban them.

As far as banning someone who is legitimately winning it probably wouldn't happen, unless he came in and won millions every day for a while, if someone had that good of
luck it would look like they were cheating.

Anyway card counting is legit if you don't use any devices to help you.

Okay even then lets not talk about blackjack. How about hypothetically, if a super skilled individual managed to control dices to superhuman precision in craps to change the odds to his favor and win consistently or maybe he is able to project the trajectory of the ball in roulette and would place bets that gives him an advantage or something.

Would the casino just allow them to win? Lets say they are not absurdly making tens of thousands of dollars in a day or something like that.
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If a casino allowed you to card count people would pick up on that and learn themselves, which would be more then "1 measly person". With a little work card counting isn't TOO hard to do (not saying it's easy, but if someone puts the time in they can learn) and if a casino allowed card counting I'm sure it would give people the motivation to learn.

Well if im that person who is a skilled card counter, I would be so fuked up that the casino has banned me i'll probably release a book on card counting to the whole world and see what happens to casinos lmao.
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They'd probably monitor them closely to see if anything fishy is going on. But they wouldn't refuse them. If fact, they would probably encourage them to stay longer. Eventually you will lose is the theory. Load them up with free alcohol, persuade them to try a new game with harder odds, anything to get them to gamble longer.

Ahh, but the question was can they!
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Default Re: Can a casino ban a person from coming in because he's winning too much?

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Well if im that person who is a skilled card counter, I would be so fuked up that the casino has banned me i'll probably release a book on card counting to the whole world and see what happens to casinos lmao.

Card counting books are out there already...
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Not only was he successful using it in real-world situations, he was the one who invented the original system.

A mathematics professor who possessed a masterís degree in physics and a doctorate degree in mathematics, he clearly had above-average intelligence.

...Thorp drew the attention of casino bosses when he began winning unusually high sums and most were convinced he was cheating. They intensely watched him play and studied videotapes of his play, but they could see nothing nefarious occurring. Before long, some casinos asked Thorp to leave because he was simply winning too much, yet they still did not know how he was doing so.

...Itís interesting to note that the sudden explosion in card counting worked in favor of the casinos since many people attempting to do it just couldnít pull it off as effectively as Thorp did.

However, his findings and methods have been the basis for every card counting system following, including that of the aforementioned MIT teamís.

Following his gambling exploits, Thorp applied his mathematical genius to the stock market and made a huge fortune in securities and hedge funds. Due to his dominance over the casinos and revolutionary thinking, Thorp was one of the first seven inducted into the Blackjack Hall of Fame.

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