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Old 06-14-2010, 08:55 PM   #46
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:01 PM   #47
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Doomsday, i know conspiracy theories give you a hard on, but this movie's plot did not contain one. You are rewriting the movie to a movie you wanted to see. the actual movie plot did not mean to indicate a conspiracy, and if they did to you, you either misinterpeted or the movie just did a bad job of explaining. Sorry, you are wrong. Sometimes in life people are wrong. Here, you are wrong. PERIOD.

The fact the movie banged you over the head for like 10 minutes at the end to the detriment of the movie explaining this at the end makes it funny for me. You watched that and thought CONSPIRACY! they praticially hit you with a hammer as if the audience were morons so you wouldnt think this.

and dont come back with AHA - thats what they... NO. They meant he was nuts. That's it.


Well I've looked around on the internet a little bit and I see that there are others that think the movie can be interpreted the same way.

Really what it comes down to is if that woman in the cave was real because she basically explained the conspiracy theory to the audience...

Now basically the movie does come down to weather or not Leo's visions of his (possible delusional) conspiracy theory is real or not... that's just a fact, and I'll be honest that towards the end of movie it seems like Leo really was crazy, but there are plenty of situations in the movie that suggest that he wasn't.... they just made him that way for two reasons:

1.) It was part of mind control experiment... they were doing groundbreaking tests on Leo.

2.) Leo was getting close to exposing the corruption and they had to stop him.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8124417AAOaZB1


I still don't understand why they would let the most dangerous person on the island role play to those lengths... they are just gonna let him walk around the island even when he has been there for 2 years?

and why did the doctor say: "Why are you wet Baby?"
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:02 PM   #48
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Just saw this movie last night. Wasn't as good as expected. I kinda figured that Leo was not getting off that island somehow. If he was crazy, then you must admit he had one of the best imaginations of the patient's there.

But then you have to ask yourself, if the Doctor told him that he was the most dangerous prisoner on the island, why would he not be locked up in Cell Block C to be begin with?? This little role-playing experiment could have ended a lot more differently, and more bloody.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:03 PM   #49
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Well I've looked around on the internet a little bit and I see that there are others that think the movie can be interpreted the same way.

Really what it comes down to is if that woman in the cave was real because she basically explained the conspiracy theory to the audience...

Now basically the movie does come down to weather or not Leo's visions of his (possible delusional) conspiracy theory is real or not... that's just a fact, and I'll be honest that towards the end of movie it seems like Leo really was crazy, but there are plenty of situations in the movie that suggest that he wasn't.... they just made him that way for two reasons:

1.) It was part of mind control experiment... they were doing groundbreaking tests on Leo.

2.) Leo was getting close to exposing the corruption and they had to stop him.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8124417AAOaZB1


I still don't understand why they would let the most dangerous person on the island role play to those lengths... they are just gonna let him walk around the island even when he has been there for 2 years?

and why did the doctor say: "Why are you wet Baby?"

Because he was wet.

And again, you are choosing to interpet the movie in a way neither the author nor the director intended it to be interpeted. I dont get why you are being so thick about it. if i paint a picture of a cow, you can tell me for a thousand years its a pig, but its a COW. i wrote it and i know.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:12 PM   #50
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I just explained why that likely was. He knew every detail of Andrew's case, and used that as a jumping off point to the big reveal.

They let him go through with the roleplay because the only other option left was to lobotomize him, and Cawley wanted that to be an absolute last resort. You didn't notice how "Chuck" was with him pretty much the entire time, and was constantly asking him "Are you OK, Boss?" That's because he was his psychiatrist, and was concerned about him. You didn't notice how all the guards regarded him? With extreme apprehension, as if "Teddy" was dangerous and might attack them at any time? Ding ding ding!

Just watch it again and pay attention to the last look Cawley gives to Andrew as he walks off to be lobotomized. It's a look of deep sadness. A look of someone who had all his eggs in one basket, and failed. Not the look of someone who had just successfully mind-****ed someone.

All the "sane" theorists have is speculation. There is no fact.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:24 PM   #51
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They let him go through with the roleplay because the only other option left was to lobotomize him, and Cawley wanted that to be an absolute last resort.
Exactly. The role-playing thing was the final, last-ditch effort by the institution to bring Leo's delusions to his attention. It was the only thing that they had left and it seemed like it may have worked, but as we know, he reverted back to his delusions the next day.

When they led him off at the end of the movie, it was for Leo's lobotomy.

The movie was pretty clear-cut. All of these conspiracy ideas have no basis, especially since the book makes it clear that there was no conspiracy and he was, in fact, crazy.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:27 PM   #52
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I just explained why that likely was. He knew every detail of Andrew's case, and used that as a jumping off point to the big reveal.

They let him go through with the roleplay because the only other option left was to lobotomize him, and Cawley wanted that to be an absolute last resort. You didn't notice how "Chuck" was with him pretty much the entire time, and was constantly asking him "Are you OK, Boss?" That's because he was his psychiatrist, and was concerned about him. You didn't notice how all the guards regarded him? With extreme apprehension, as if "Teddy" was dangerous and might attack them at any time? Ding ding ding!

Just watch it again and pay attention to the last look Cawley gives to Andrew as he walks off to be lobotomized. It's a look of deep sadness. A look of someone who had all his eggs in one basket, and failed. Not the look of someone who had just successfully mind-****ed someone.

All the "sane" theorists have is speculation. There is no fact.


You want to talk about a last look?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKsgUa5m1yk
SHUTTER ISLAND ENDING


To live as a monster or to die as a good man?.... The Good Man was Leo, they were the monsters... and Leo wasn't about to let himself become their monster... he would rather die knowing he was a good man.

The nazi doctor says to Teddy, "wounds can create monsters".
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:34 PM   #53
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More speculation and interpretation. No facts.
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More speculation and interpretation. No facts.

The nazi doctor says to Teddy, "wounds can create monsters".


that doesn't mean anything to you?


Oh and by the way.... did I mention he was a Nazi.
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You want to talk about a last look?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKsgUa5m1yk
SHUTTER ISLAND ENDING


To live as a monster or to die as a good man?.... The Good Man was Leo, they were the monsters... and Leo wasn't about to let himself become their monster... he would rather die knowing he was a good man.

The nazi doctor says to Teddy, "wounds can create monsters".

You contradict yourself here. You say "they"(as in not Teddy/Andrew) were the monsters, yet in your quote of the German doctor(there was no indication given that he was a Nazi -- way to jump to conclusions) he was referring to Teddy/Andrew. "You are wounded, Marshal."

Edit - Here's the actual quote:

"Wounds can create monsters, and you, you are wounded, Marshall."

He is implying that Teddy/Andrew is a monster. Not the other way around. You have completely misinterpreted so much of this movie that it's astounding.

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Old 06-14-2010, 10:06 PM   #56
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*sigh*

Jesus, Dooms.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:07 PM   #57
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100% WRONG. He does not pretend to be insane. And like I said before, they added that last line in the movie, it was not in the book. The story is the book.

No Andrei is right. It's BASED on the book, not the same thing; the director/screenwriter is free to change it how they want, and they decided to end it a bit lighter, with Andrew finally realizing the truth, but wanting to die before he changed back.

To Dooms, the german doctor was not a Nazi, Andrew just created that idea himself as a part of his false impression of the truth.
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:54 AM   #58
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It was a nicely-filmed movie but I don't think there was any more to it than the "twist" that he was crazy the whole time. Me and everyone I watched it with figured out within the first act that he was nuts and we were waiting for the big twist that he was right all along, but it never came. Just a very lazy ending and I probably would've enjoyed it more if a supposed "twist" wasn't hyped up to me by everyone else who saw it.
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^^^That's no flaw with the movie, though. That's exactly why I told my brother not to talk to anyone about it, not to watch previews, trailers, etc., and to just watch it. And due to that, he actually didn't see the twist coming.

I agree with Lamar Doom, when the movie is advertised as having a "twist you won't see coming" you immediately start looking for the twist, which takes the air out of it, IMO.

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Yeah Dooms is really interpreting the plot the wrong way, it's not that hard to grasp for me, it's really only that last quote that he says that throws a bit of confusion as to what mental state he is in. But he is insane, the sane arguments are just too farfetched.
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