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Old 06-15-2010, 03:48 AM   #61
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Nope... I don't care what they said.

pretty much sums up everything i've ever seen dooms post
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:39 PM   #62
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pretty much sums up everything i've ever seen dooms post


I'm convinced that the movie was meant to be interpreted two ways... that's why it's brilliant.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:16 PM   #63
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I'm convinced that the movie was meant to be interpreted two ways... that's why it's brilliant.

Except there's nothing to back up the alternate interpretation but conjecture and speculation. Nothing. I know you aren't completely illogical, but c'mon. To actually believe that the filmmakers/actors, and the dude who wrote the book are part of some conspiracy against the public is lunacy.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:34 PM   #64
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Except there's nothing to back up the alternate interpretation but conjecture and speculation. Nothing. I know you aren't completely illogical, but c'mon. To actually believe that the filmmakers/actors, and the dude who wrote the book are part of some conspiracy against the public is lunacy.


Listed several things but you aren't listening...

I'll acknowledge that you've made a few good points - top one being the anagrams - but you've failed to acknowledge some of the good points I've made - many of which are listed in the link in the OP.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:45 PM   #65
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Again, all that stuff is is conjecture and speculation. Like the first "fact" about the cigarettes beginning the drugging process. That's not a fact. That's speculation. Therein lies the difference.
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:56 PM   #66
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Again, all that stuff is is conjecture and speculation. Like the first "fact" about the cigarettes beginning the drugging process. That's not a fact. That's speculation. Therein lies the difference.


Did you hear what that b*tch in the cave had to say about the cigarettes?

I told you that you weren't listening.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:02 PM   #67
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The woman in the cave was most likely imaginary. He just happens to stumble upon her hiding place? And think about the cigarettes; "Chuck" was smoking the same ones and he didn't turn batty.

Anyway, it's futile debating with you, so I'm done. You are like Teddy. Refusing to look at the patient intake form so that you can continue to live in your delusion.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:26 PM   #68
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The woman in the cave was most likely imaginary. He just happens to stumble upon her hiding place? And think about the cigarettes; "Chuck" was smoking the same ones and he didn't turn batty.

Anyway, it's futile debating with you, so I'm done. You are like Teddy. Refusing to look at the patient intake form so that you can continue to live in your delusion.


Well one last thing... Just think about how retarded it is for them to put a guard (near the lighthouse) in harms way of the most dangerous man on the island just to try to get him help... I guess they figured Teddy's life was more valuable then that guards.

Or was that imaginary like the cave woman?

Chuck was providing Leo with the cigarettes... just because he was smoking one didn't mean it was laced with drugs also.

And basically It makes no since for the doctor to say to Teddy: "Why are you all wet baby".... Infact the whole role playing conspiracy stuff makes no sense because they would not go to those lengths to try to help him. PERIOD.

But if these assholes were evil scientists they sure as hell would go to those lengths to f*ck persons mind and prevent him from exposing their operation.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:39 PM   #69
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The one part I really didn't get was when a ****ing million rats came out of the rocks of the cliff. That was just weird.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:44 PM   #70
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The one part I really didn't get was when a ****ing million rats came out of the rocks of the cliff. That was just weird.


Didn't we see Leo in a bathroom earlier in the movie with a single Rat in it and he was afraid of it.

Probably had something to do with facing his fear... which he had to also do when he swam to the lighthouse... (he was afraid of water)
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:47 PM   #71
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The one part I really didn't get was when a ****ing million rats came out of the rocks of the cliff. That was just weird.

I took that as an indication of his state of delirium. Here's some pretty good analysis of that scene(not mine, but it makes sense):

"A flashing light effect is used to show Andrew is entering a particularly deranged state. It is used in the cave as he awakens from supposedly sleeping in the cave overnight. The entire cliff sequence leading up to him climbing up into the cave is set-up to show he is coming apart. The sound effect of a man screaming is used several times in this sequence as he wanders the bottom of the cliff searching for the body he thinks he saw. The music that is used in conjunction with the scream effect and the variety of jump cuts, odd camera angles, and camera movement suggest a Vertigo-like disorientation or delusional state of the character. "Teddy" may have imagined the entire cliff sequence and never even climbed down the cliff is what all of this seems to suggest."
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:49 PM   #72
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I really need to watch it again at least one more time. There are probably a bunch a details (like the screams in the cliff sequence) that I missed the first go around.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:07 AM   #73
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Another thing: The cave lady immediately knows that he's a US Marshall. Yet she had been missing long before he ever stepped foot on the island. She had no reason to just assume that he was a US Marshall. Why is this? Because she was a figment of his imagination.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:50 AM   #74
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Producer and screen-writer confirm Teddy was insane.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1130884/...flat/164944625

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Another thing: "Teddy" has a band-aid on his head for the entire movie up until the end. What do you think this could symbolize?
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