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Old 07-15-2010, 03:23 PM   #16
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Dam, I made a super huge post, but I'm too lazy to make it again(connection dced). Keep the tips coming guys(need help playing against college/mid 30's guys in gym)
Questions: How do you guard taller,stronger, and faster guys? I have to sprint to keep up with the other team's point guard who just jogs lol. My friends and I have a hard time with the people(we're 14-16 years old).
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:50 PM   #17
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If a player is right handed try to block they're jump shot with your left hand and the opposite if they are left handed

I started doing this after I read this post and it works so much better than I though it would. I'm a small guy, and get less than a block a month is seems like. But now, I get like 3-4 blocks per game. Thanks for this tip. It is really helping me out.
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Old 07-17-2010, 05:52 PM   #18
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Dam, I made a super huge post, but I'm too lazy to make it again(connection dced). Keep the tips coming guys(need help playing against college/mid 30's guys in gym)
Questions: How do you guard taller,stronger, and faster guys? I have to sprint to keep up with the other team's point guard who just jogs lol. My friends and I have a hard time with the people(we're 14-16 years old).

Skill will trump athleticism most the time (in my experience at least).

I grew up always playing with older, and better players and I learned that having:

a) Hustle
b) High IQ
c) Good core fundamentals

Has allowed me to be able to guard those more athletic than me, and bigger than me. The other important factor is timing. I stand only 6 feet but I am a big threat to block any shot because I have decent hops, but a good knack for timing. Just from playing with bigger people a lot.

My main advice, and I tell this to everyone who's looking for advice, is to make sure that you continue to play with people who are faster, stronger, and even better. Now I enjoy going somewhere every once in a while where I know I'll dominate. But for the most part I try to seek out really tough competition because that's where you will learn the most, and the quickest. But so long as you love the game and have the will to get better you will catch up, and you'll catch up quick!
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Old 07-17-2010, 08:26 PM   #19
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Hmm.. alright I'll continue getting my a** kicked to learn. I'll try to master the basics by the end of the summer to join high school basketball.
Another Question:How to be more involved during a game where your role is fullfilled? I mostly played point guard/shooting guard during middle school. Now... There are these guys that shoot 75% of their field goals, and the people who handle the ball mostly are the guys who are the tallest. In pickup games, it seems that I'm guarding the guy who gets the ball least on the other team also(who happens to be closest my age and the shortest also). I'm 5'7. I can beat most of the people I play with in 1v1 around like 11-3. In a pickup though... I get the ball around 2 times in a 15 minute game. I feel so useless lol. Also, in a pickup game my reaction is 3x slower for some reason. A guy who saw me shooting jumpshots told me to shoot more(how can I shoot if I get the ball only twice a game)? Dang, it's too hard.
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:45 PM   #20
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Hmm.. alright I'll continue getting my a** kicked to learn. I'll try to master the basics by the end of the summer to join high school basketball.
Another Question:How to be more involved during a game where your role is fullfilled? I mostly played point guard/shooting guard during middle school. Now... There are these guys that shoot 75% of their field goals, and the people who handle the ball mostly are the guys who are the tallest. In pickup games, it seems that I'm guarding the guy who gets the ball least on the other team also(who happens to be closest my age and the shortest also). I'm 5'7. I can beat most of the people I play with in 1v1 around like 11-3. In a pickup though... I get the ball around 2 times in a 15 minute game. I feel so useless lol. Also, in a pickup game my reaction is 3x slower for some reason. A guy who saw me shooting jumpshots told me to shoot more(how can I shoot if I get the ball only twice a game)? Dang, it's too hard.

What you are doing isn't useless if you're winning. If you lose and you don't do anything, then yeah, that's useless. But otherwise, feel good that you're contributing to the win (if you are). Everyone wants to be Kobe and drop all 15 points in a game to 15, but sooner or later smart people realize that they're not scorers. If everyone in the NBA wanted to be top scorers, it would be pretty ugly to watch. Just look at the Lakers. Kobe's the top scorer. What do the other guys do? They have to find other roles like rebounders and defensive specialists.

Just because you aren't shooting the ball or getting alot of touches doesn't mean you have to chill on the offensive end. You have to cut, move without the ball, set good picks and roll to the basket. You're not going to get the ball alot so go for offensive rebounds. Your teammates will appreciate your hustle if you're truly giving it.

Remember that you can be a difference maker. Since you're shorter than most of the other guys, how about running the pick and pop alot to create a mismatch? I assume you're a good shooter, so when you set the pick on your team's primary scorer, your shorter defender shifts onto him, and he can make a decision to drive on the smaller man or kick it out to you for a shot. Go for steals, but make smart gambles. There's no excuse to be lousy on defense but the point of this is, do what it takes to win, not what it takes to shine. I don't know about you, but I've been in situations ranging from me being the top scorer/player on the worst team imaginable to role playing and staying on a court for countless games. Staying on the court was infinitely more enjoyable than losing EVERY TIME (for me at least).
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:01 PM   #21
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Hmm.. alright I'll continue getting my a** kicked to learn. I'll try to master the basics by the end of the summer to join high school basketball.
Another Question:How to be more involved during a game where your role is fullfilled? I mostly played point guard/shooting guard during middle school. Now... There are these guys that shoot 75% of their field goals, and the people who handle the ball mostly are the guys who are the tallest. In pickup games, it seems that I'm guarding the guy who gets the ball least on the other team also(who happens to be closest my age and the shortest also). I'm 5'7. I can beat most of the people I play with in 1v1 around like 11-3. In a pickup though... I get the ball around 2 times in a 15 minute game. I feel so useless lol. Also, in a pickup game my reaction is 3x slower for some reason. A guy who saw me shooting jumpshots told me to shoot more(how can I shoot if I get the ball only twice a game)? Dang, it's too hard.

Get involved by setting picks for the ball handler, once you do that roll to the rim or spot up and call for the ball.

Get offensive rebounds.

Talk to guys and get them to set u up w/ a baseline picks and free urself up on the same side w/ the ball, might get a pass. When you get that pass, you'll be open make the best of it and be aggressive and make a play. Take good shots and make them, they'll keep an eye on you next time.

Don't just scream for the ball, get involved.

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Old 07-18-2010, 01:23 AM   #22
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If you are more of role player, you are always going to have those games where you don't get a lot of touches or do much to effect the game... sometimes it works out that way and it is frustrating when you lose. If you win... there is always another game.

So... either you can continue to be a role player and be frustrated sometimes... or you can start taking the steps toward becoming the focal point of a team AKA the main ball handler... and that takes a lot of practice. I know for me, I was never comfortable being the main ball handler for a while... I'd get on a team that wasn't very good or just didn't have anybody that could handle the ball real well and make plays... and I'd want to do it, but I just wasn't good enough. Now, I have the ability to do it because I've practiced, studied the game, and now am confident enough in my ability to beat defenders and make good decisions. You are still going to have bad games, but at least you know it's on you and maybe sometime during that game you start deferring to others because you are having a bad game... trust me, it's better than having an uneventful game as a role player.

From experience tho... like these guys have been saying, going for offensive boards, cutting... just hustling your ass off... you rarely ever have those uneventful games because you are constantly in the mix. For me... I haven't been able to do any of that due to injury. When I play, I'm either the main ball handler (and just basically the guy who brings it up court and tries to set people up without doing anything too strenuous) or simply being a spot up shooter. Being a spot up shooter is the worst cus every other game can be uneventful.

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Old 07-18-2010, 02:59 PM   #23
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Alright, thanks for advice. I'll try to communicate better and hustle more. The bad thing is I didn't go to basketball camp($150 for 3 days is just BS) so I don't know the competition yet. One of the guys who was a bench player from the camp played at the gym today. He was making 80% of his 3 pointers :O He was also excellent at setting picks, cutting, passing, and many more. He just met me and already understands how to play with me(it takes me about a week with someone to communicate efficently with them). Dam them for being so pro.
Another Question: How do you communicate efficently with people in basketball?
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:40 PM   #24
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Alright, thanks for advice. I'll try to communicate better and hustle more. The bad thing is I didn't go to basketball camp($150 for 3 days is just BS) so I don't know the competition yet. One of the guys who was a bench player from the camp played at the gym today. He was making 80% of his 3 pointers :O He was also excellent at setting picks, cutting, passing, and many more. He just met me and already understands how to play with me(it takes me about a week with someone to communicate efficently with them). Dam them for being so pro.
Another Question: How do you communicate efficently with people in basketball?

I guess it's different for everyone. It goes both ways; I've played pickup with people and we meshed right from the start, and I've played with people who were total dumbasses on the floor. I'd say 80% of the time the people you play with are neither, they're just people you play with, win some and lose some.

If the other people are cool and are the team type, then you shouldn't even need to ask about how to communicate. It'll be natural and you'll just play off each others strengths.

If they're the not so cool type, then I'd say whatever. They're not going to change for 1 pickup game and you'll probably forget about them when the day is over.

Basically, if you want to communicate effectively just call out picks, be unselfish and just play for the team. I find that actions speak louder than words so if your teammates got a good position in the post, give him the ball. Sooner or later you'll be finding each other with sharp cuts and once you start winning games and staying on the floor you'll all feel confident on what to do.
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See it's the exact opposite for me... unless I play with friends on my team, then most of the time it's just a sloppy game because nobody knows what each others strengths are and I can't tell you how many people dribble with their head down and don't see things. I'd say almost 80% of the time I am at least somewhat frustrated if I am not playing with at least a couple friends... those games where everything goes well are few and far between.
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On shorter guys the up and under/Rondo move is the way to go. If they don't jump, easy shot, but if they fall for it, you can lower your shoulder into his chest and pull off a nice under move going into the paint.
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:39 PM   #27
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Excellent advice from everyone so far. I guess it's because I'm too shy or something because everyone keeps telling me to take more shots/handle ball more/take more risks.
Another Question: How do you excell at playing point guard?
I just saw the competetion of the high school basketball. To be blunt...THEY SUCKED A$$. Only about 10 of them are decent. There's already a great shooting guard and one of my acquantiences play small forward really well. I'm a little better in terms of skills for their point guard, but he's better at communicating/spotting plays.
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To be a good PG you have to be able to set up plays, run the O, and not turn the ball over. If you can do those... then you will start for most teams, and if you can shoot, then you will definitely start. It definitely helps to be quick so if you get a switch you can take advantage and so the quicker PG's can't blow past you... but there are plenty of starting PG's at multiple levels who aren't necessarily the best defenders (AKA Steve Nash, Jose Calderon, Derek Fisher).

Yea just try to 2 or 3 plays that you are really uncomfortable with a game... things that don't feel natural. Obviously you don't want to be dumb and go 1 on 5 or do something that doesn't make sense, but just work on the stuff you'd like to be better at. I think I already said all that... but it's good to reiterate ha.
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Excellent advice from everyone so far. I guess it's because I'm too shy or something because everyone keeps telling me to take more shots/handle ball more/take more risks.
Another Question: How do you excell at playing point guard?
I just saw the competetion of the high school basketball. To be blunt...THEY SUCKED A$$. Only about 10 of them are decent. There's already a great shooting guard and one of my acquantiences play small forward really well. I'm a little better in terms of skills for their point guard, but he's better at communicating/spotting plays.

First off you have to have the ball on lock. Great handles.

Ability to push the ball up at any moment fast to take advantage of the defense.

Vision + know your players and their abilities, where and when they want the ball.

Composure and leadership when team is struggling and not letting up when you're up.

See where the mismatches are, let your teammates know what the play is and get them the ball where they can do work. Often times I'll let my teammates know how exploit their defenders, I'll notice their defenders fall for shot pump fakes or they don't know how to guard the pick and roll, whatever it is.


Remember just because you don't get the ball doesn't mean you can't get offense boards, set screens, go back door, and when you get the ball call for a pick and when they roll hit them off. They might do the same next time around for you. Other people can't make you obsolete only you can. Do all of those things and lock down your player, get boards, call out screens, and steals- you'll be essential to whatever team your on.
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alright. The advice helped me well. Today I just focused on being helpful as much as possible with the "all star guys" (my friend who's 14 but super buff that can bench like 150 even though he's like 140 pounds). It worked out quite well. I had like 5 rebounds/6 points/2 blocks per game and more.

Another Question:How should I adjust my shots now? Since I'm growing, I have to adjust my shot. When I was short(5,2), I had a high arc/made 75% of my 3's, 80% of my jumpshots, and 80% of my layups.. Now I have a medium arc which makes me have less swishes/hits the rim more, 25% of my 3's....(pissing me off but for the sake of my shooting form),50% of jump shots, and 90% of my layups. I became 2x better in my ballhandling/understanding of the game. Should I just continue only shooting jumpshots/layups until I become stronger to use the shooting form on a 3 pointer or kind of force my shot a little(so mad of shooting 3 pointer bricks using shooting form).
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