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Old 11-21-2006, 09:12 PM   #16
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.321/.375/.559 (190 hits, 34 HR, 130 RBI). Hmmmm....
Show me how many CF's can do near what Sizemore does and how many 1B's can do close to what Morneau can. This all goes back to being "most valuable", something Morneau isn't in the AL nor on his own team. This is why players who put up big #'s at CF, SS, 2B and C are so highly regarded around the league... that is until the MVP voting comes around and somehow only sluggers exist for the most part.

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Those make him more complete but don't make up for the gaps in batting average, HR, and especially runs batted in.
He's a leadoff hitter... how do you expect him to get RBI's when he follows the 7, 8, 9 hitters?? His OBP is equal to Morneau so they avoid creating outs at the same rate, that's the most important part of hitting. Sizemore is a CF though and that adds a lot to his value.

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Uhhh, it's not because Sizemore wasn't on a playoff team. It was because he isn't nearly as good as Justin Morneau.
He is and was more valuable this year. I'd love to see a poll of which player GM's would prefer on their team, Sizemore or Morneau. All I can do is speculate here but I'd be shocked if more than 25% of them took Morneau.


And if you want some numerical support for Sizemore over Morneau then:

VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) from baseballprospectus.com
Sizemore: 69.1
Morneau: 52.0

WARP (Wins Above Replacement Player)
Sizemore: 10.7
Morneau: 8.6

Runs Created
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Sizmore: 124
Morneau: 121

Wins Shares
Sizemore: 25
Morneau: 27

Not too outlandish having Sizemore over Morneau.

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Old 11-22-2006, 11:50 AM   #17
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Good article about the MVP voting:


http://baseballanalysts.com/archives...bi_rbi_rbi.php
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Jeter should have been the MVP. For the guy who said the Yankees would have made the playoffs anyway, you're an idiot.
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Old 11-22-2006, 01:27 PM   #19
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Good article...but he spoke about how Howard playing in a hitters park. Yeah but if we look at how many HR's he hit outside of Citizens they were even. So why mention the park he hit in when he was equally successful elsewhere?
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Good article...but he spoke about how Howard playing in a hitters park. Yeah but if we look at how many HR's he hit outside of Citizens they were even. So why mention the park he hit in when he was equally successful elsewhere?

I barely even read the NL stuff. Yea I think Pujols deserved it but Howard getting it wasn't criminal or anything. There wasn't anything TOO unjust there.


Ken Rosenthal from FOX Sports had a good point too:

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I'm disappointed for Jeter, I'm disappointed for Mauer, I would have been disappointed for Morneau, too. The vote was far from clean; the voter who put Jeter sixth can not seriously believe there were five more valuable players in the AL. Likewise, the five voters who failed to list Mauer in their top 10 ought to be put on some kind of double-secret probation.

These are the kinds of thing that make fans wonder if writers take their votes seriously the kinds of things that makes the Baseball Writers Association of America, of which I am a member, look silly. Jeter and Morneau would have tied if Jeter's sixth-place vote had been a first and Morneau was second on the same ballot.
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