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Old 08-15-2010, 10:50 AM   #1
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1983 Julius Erving

Regular Season- 21.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.7 TO, 1.6 spg, 1.8 bpg, 51.7 FG%

All-NBA First Team, 5th in MVP voting, 65-17 record

Playoffs- 18.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 3.4 apg, 3 TO, 1.2 spg, 2.1 bpg, 45 FG%
Finals- 19 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 5 apg, 2.3 TO, 1.3 spg, 46.9 FG%

Keys- Dr. J had led Philadelphia to the finals 2 out of the last 3 seasons including the previous year before Moses arrived, he finished top 3 in MVP voting each of those seasons including 1981 when he won the award. Dr. J led the team in blocks in the 1983 playoffs. Philadelphia went 12-1 in the playoffs.

1992 Scottie Pippen

Regular Season- 21 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 7 apg, 3.1 TO 1.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, 50.6 FG%

All-NBA Second Team, All-Defensive First Team, 9th in MVP voting, 3rd in Defensive Player Of The Year voting, 67-15 record

Playoffs- 19.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.7 apg, 3.2 TO, 1.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, 46.8 FG%
Finals- 20.8 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 23 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 45/93 FG

Keys- Pippen was huge in close out games, he closed out Miami with 31/8/5/2 on 12/23 shooting, he closed out the Knicks in game 7 with 17/11/11/3 on 7/11 shooting, he closed out the Cavs with 29/12/5/4/4 on 11/23 shooting and he closed out Portland with 26/5/4 on 9/17 shooting while leading a big come back.

1995 Clyde Drexler-
Regular Season w/ Houston- 21.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 4.4 apg, 2.5 TO, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 50.6 FG%

All-NBA Third Team, 14th in MVP voting, 17-18 record with Houston.

Note that Hakeem missed 9 of his 35 games with Houston which partially explains the lackluster record.

Playoffs- 20.5 ppg, 7 rpg, 5 apg, 2 TO, 1.5 spg, 0.7 bpg, 48.1 FG%
Finals- 21.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.5 TO, 1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 45 FG%

Keys- Clyde had some huge games with Dream out of the line up in the regular season including 41 points and 18 rebounds on 12/23 shooting, 3/5 3 point shooting and 14/18 from the line, 40 points, 8 assists and 5 steals on 14/22 shooting and 10/14 from the line, 34 points and 13 rebounds on 11/21 shooting, 3/5 3 point shooting and 9/11 from the line and 29/11/11/3 on 12/12 shooting at the free throw line. Excluding the final game of the season when he played only 12 minutes, he averaged 30/9/6 in 8 games with Dream out of the line up. Drexler was unstoppable in Houston's 3 wins in best of 5 series vs Houston with 30 points and 7 assists on 12/17 shooting and 3/5 3 point shooting in a must-win game 2 on the road after falling behind in the series, 41/9/6 on 12/18 shooting and 4/8 3 point shooting facing elimination in game 4 and 31 points and 10 rebounds on 8/15 shooting and 5/7 3 point shooting in the close out game 5 on the road. Down 0-2 vs Phoenix, Drexler came up huge with a 23/9/8/3 game on 8/14 shooting and 3/5 3 point shooting. In game 7 of that series, he had 29/8/4/2 on 11/19 shooting. He helped the Rockets steal homecourt take a commanding lead in the Western Conference Finals vs the Spurs with 25 points and 12 rebounds in game 1 and 23/5/6 on 9/16 shooting in game 2. He again duplicated this in the finals with 23/11/7 in game 1, 23/5/5 on 7/10 shooting in game 2 and 25/13/7 in game 3 to not only steal home court, but put Orlando in an impossible 3-0 hole. Even though he shot poorly in game 4, he still nearly had a triple double with 15/9/8 in game 4 to complete the sweep.

2000 Kobe Bryant

Regular Season- 22.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, 2.8 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.9 bpg, 46.8 FG%

All-NBA Second Team, All-Defensive First Team, 12th in MVP Voting, 5th in Defensive Player Of The Year voting, 67-15 record

Playoffs- 21.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.4 apg, 2.5 TO, 1.4 spg, 1.4 bpg, 44.2 FG%
Finals- 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.2 TO, 1 spg, 1.4 bpg, 36.7 FG%

Note that he left game 2 of the finals after 9 minutes which lowered his numbers and he missed game 3.

Keys- Kobe showed what kind of monumental talent he was and a sign of things to come when he had a 40/10/8 game on 15/24 shooting vs Sacramento in March He played like a superstar in the first round vs Sacramento which went the maximum 5 games, he averaged 28/4/4 on a shade under 50% shooting. He had a number of clutch moments including a game-winning shot vs Phoenix in game 2 of the Western Conference Semi-Finals, a game-saving block vs Sabonis in game 3 of the Western Conference Finals to cap off a superb 25/7/7 game on 11/18 shooting, a 25/11/7/4 game seven vs Portland and a clutch 8 point overtime performance in game 4 of the finals after Shaq fouled out. Kobe averaged 2.1 blocks in the WCF.

2005 Manu Ginobili-

Regular Season- 16 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.3 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.4 bpg, 47.1 FG%

59-23 record

Note that Manu only averaged 29.6 mpg because he had a good backup and Popovich liked to limit his player's minutes.

Playoffs- 20.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 2.9 TO, 1.2 spg, 0.3 bpg, 50.7 FG%
Finals- 18.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4 apg, 3.3 TO, 1.2 spg, 0.1 bpg, 49.4 FG%

Also note that Manu still only played 33.6 mpg in the playoffs and came off the bench in 8 games, he shot 43.8% on 3s and had an insane 65.2 TS%.

Keys- Manu showed what great numbers he could put up if he were so inclined with a 48/5/6 game on 16/22 shooting, 5/7 3 point shooting and 11/12 free throw shooting as well as a 40/9/6 game on 12/14 from the line. Came off the bench and had a huge 32 point, 9 rebound game on 10/13 shooting from the line to put the Spurs up 2-1. He had an insanely efficient 28 point game on 9/11 shooting and 8/10 from the line to put the Spurs up 2-0 vs Seattle and a 39/4/6 game on 10/15 shooting, 4/6 3 point shooting and 15/17 free throw shooting to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead vs Seattle. He also played great in the finals wins with 26 points and 9 rebounds on 4/4 shooting in game 1, 27 points and 7 assists on 6/8 shooting, 4/5 3 point shooting and 11/13 free throw shooting in game 2, shot poorly, but had a near triple double with 15 points, 6 rebounds and 9 assists in game 5 and he closed out the series with 23/5/4 on 8/13 shooting. Some thought he deserved finals MVP.

2008 Paul Pierce

Regular Season- 19.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.5 apg, 2.8 TO, 1.3 spg, 0.4 bpg, 46.4 FG%

All-NBA 3rd team, 14th in MVP voting, 66-16 record

Playoffs- 19.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 TO, 1.1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 44.1 FG%
Finals- 21.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 3.7 TO 1.2 spg, 0.3 bpg, 43.2 FG%

Keys- Paul led the Celtics to a 7-2 record without Kevin Garnett midseason which helped Boston keep up their prolific win percentage and give them home court advantage very easily. Pierce had a 41/4/5 game 7 vs Cleveland on 13/23 from the field, 4/6 on 3s and 11/12 from the line. He closed out Detroit with 27 points and 8 rebounds on 8/12 shooting and 10/13 from the line. He also had 28/4/8 on 9/16 shooting and 4/4 3 point shooting to put Boston up 2-0 vs hte Lakers, he eventually won finals MVP. Pierce also played well defensively when he was guarding Kobe and Lebron in the playoffs who were the 2 top scorers that year.

I'll rank them later, but I'm interested to see how others rank them and some reasoning because I haven't made up my mind yet personally.

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Old 08-15-2010, 11:33 AM   #2
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I didn't watch Dr.J's season, so I'll just rank the rest.

I know many people might go WTF, but I'm leaning towards Ginobili 05. He had a great year, and was IMO the best player of the Spurs during the playoffs, and deserved the FMVP. While the rest of the guys listed were clearly 2nd fiddles. The guys that have a case are Pip, and Kobe. Pip had his arguably best year, and IMO the best one while playing with MJ. Kobe on the other hand was a bit inconsistent, but took over the most games. He had a game winner against the Suns, game saving block against Sabonis, and really memorable games in Game 7 WCF, and Game 4 of the Finals. So I put Kobe a step ahead of Pip.
Drexler had joined the reigning champs, and actually made them worse. That hurts his case a bit, though obviously he wasn't the only one to blame. still, they had a disappointing regular season, even though they managed to win it all. Plus Pierce has the FMVP, even though I think he didn't deserve it. But he gets the nod over Clyde.

So:
1. Manu
2. Kobe
3. Pippen
4. Pierce
5. Clyde

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I don't know where he'd rank among those players, but Ginobili in 2005 (and to this day) was probably the best swing man Tim Duncan has ever played with. Better than Sean Elliott, Turkey Glue, Andersen, Finley, Daniels, etc. His style of play is so relentless, so aggressive, and so focused on one thing - helping the team win. I'd say as a player he's rated just fine, people have come to respect his game, but I think he's one of the most underrated players at initiating and absorbing contact. He's really a tough player. You can't teach that, you can't quite quantify it with statistics, and you can't fully explain how it sparks teammates into stepping up. The ultimate spark, and humble enough to come off the bench (though he was rightfully a starter in 2005). In the 2005 playoffs Manu was straight up mauled by Kenyon Martin & Nuggets crew, Danny Fortson and Jerome James (both dirty as shit) in Seattle nearly took his head off a few times, and the Pistons played some of the scrappiest defense in the league. Some of the circus shots, layups, and dunks Manu finished at that time (and now) are just wowing. Finished the 2005 playoffs with a 147 Free Throws made, tying Duncan for the most amount, and he really made a name for himself as one of the best slashers and shooters in the league. In 23 playoff games, he didn't make a three pointer in only 2 games, and shot a very impressive 43.8% from beyond the arch. For a shooting guard, he's a very complete, two-way player. He's not quite Pippen (obviously), but he's certainly a huge step up from, say, a Kevin Martin kind of player (and not because of pure stats).

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Pippen is definitely top 2 on the list. The only one of the players I could see with an argument over him is Dr. J based on the fact that Dr. J had led a team to the finals the previous year and was just 2 years removed from an MVP season.

Still trying to figure out how to rank the others.
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I'd say
1. Pippen
2. Drexler
3. Dr. J
4. Kobe
5. Manu
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1983 Julius Erving

Regular Season- 21.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.7 TO, 1.6 spg, 1.8 bpg, 51.7 FG%

All-NBA First Team, 5th in MVP voting, 65-17 record

Playoffs- 18.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 3.4 apg, 3 TO, 1.2 spg, 2.1 bpg, 45 FG%
Finals- 19 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 5 apg, 2.3 TO, 1.3 spg, 30/64 FG

Keys- Dr. J had led Philadelphia to the finals 2 out of the last 3 seasons including the previous year before Moses arrived, he finished top 3 in MVP voting each of those seasons including 1981 when he won the award. Dr. J led the team in blocks in the 1983 playoffs. Philadelphia went 12-1 in the playoffs.

1992 Scottie Pippen

Regular Season- 21 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 7 apg, 3.1 TO 1.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, 50.6 FG%

All-NBA Second Team, All-Defensive First Team, 9th in MVP voting, 3rd in Defensive Player Of The Year voting, 67-15 record

Playoffs- 19.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.7 apg, 3.2 TO, 1.9 spg, 1.1 bpg, 46.8 FG%
Finals- 20.8 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 23 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 45/93 FG

Keys- Pippen was huge in close out games, he closed out Miami with 31/8/5/2 on 12/23 shooting, he closed out the Knicks in game 7 with 17/11/11/3 on 7/11 shooting, he closed out the Cavs with 29/12/5/4/4 on 11/23 shooting and he closed out Portland with 26/5/4 on 9/17 shooting while leading a big come back.

1995 Clyde Drexler-
Regular Season w/ Houston- 21.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 4.4 apg, 2.5 TO, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 50.6 FG%

All-NBA Third Team, 14th in MVP voting, 17-18 record with Houston.

Note that Hakeem missed 9 of his 35 games with Houston which partially explains the lackluster record.

Playoffs- 20.5 ppg, 7 rpg, 5 apg, 2 TO, 1.5 spg, 0.7 bpg, 48.1 FG%
Finals- 21.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.5 TO, 1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 27/60 FG

Keys- Clyde had some huge games with Dream out of the line up in the regular season including 41 points and 18 rebounds on 12/23 shooting, 3/5 3 point shooting and 14/18 from the line, 40 points, 8 assists and 5 steals on 14/22 shooting and 10/14 from the line, 34 points and 13 rebounds on 11/21 shooting, 3/5 3 point shooting and 9/11 from the line and 29/11/11/3 on 12/12 shooting at the free throw line. Excluding the final game of the season when he played only 12 minutes, he averaged 30/9/6 in 8 games with Dream out of the line up. Drexler was unstoppable in Houston's 3 wins in best of 5 series vs Houston with 30 points and 7 assists on 12/17 shooting and 3/5 3 point shooting in a must-win game 2 on the road after falling behind in the series, 41/9/6 on 12/18 shooting and 4/8 3 point shooting facing elimination in game 4 and 31 points and 10 rebounds on 8/15 shooting and 5/7 3 point shooting in the close out game 5 on the road. Down 0-2 vs Phoenix, Drexler came up huge with a 23/9/8/3 game on 8/14 shooting and 3/5 3 point shooting. In game 7 of that series, he had 29/8/4/2 on 11/19 shooting. He helped the Rockets steal homecourt take a commanding lead in the Western Conference Finals vs the Spurs with 25 points and 12 rebounds in game 1 and 23/5/6 on 9/16 shooting in game 2. He again duplicated this in the finals with 23/11/7 in game 1, 23/5/5 on 7/10 shooting in game 2 and 25/13/7 in game 3 to not only steal home court, but put Orlando in an impossible 3-0 hole. Even though he shot poorly in game 4, he still nearly had a triple double with 15/9/8 in game 4 to complete the sweep.

2000 Kobe Bryant

Regular Season- 22.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, 2.8 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.9 bpg, 46.8 FG%

All-NBA Second Team, All-Defensive First Team, 12th in MVP Voting, 5th in Defensive Player Of The Year voting, 67-15 record

Playoffs- 21.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.4 apg, 2.5 TO, 1.4 spg, 1.4 bpg, 44.2 FG%
Finals- 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.2 TO, 1 spg, 1.4 bpg, 36.7 FG%

Note that he left game 2 of the finals after 9 minutes which lowered his numbers and he missed game 3.

Keys- Kobe showed what kind of monumental talent he was and a sign of things to come when he had a 40/10/8 game on 15/24 shooting vs Sacramento in March He played like a superstar in the first round vs Sacramento which went the maximum 5 games, he averaged 28/4/4 on a shade under 50% shooting. He had a number of clutch moments including a game-winning shot vs Phoenix in game 2 of the Western Conference Semi-Finals, a game-saving block vs Sabonis in game 3 of the Western Conference Finals to cap off a superb 25/7/7 game on 11/18 shooting, a 25/11/7/4 game seven vs Portland and a clutch 8 point overtime performance in game 4 of the finals after Shaq fouled out. Kobe averaged 2.1 blocks in the WCF.

2005 Manu Ginobili-

Regular Season- 16 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.3 TO, 1.6 spg, 0.4 bpg, 47.1 FG%

59-23 record

Note that Manu only averaged 29.6 mpg because he had a good backup and Popovich liked to limit his player's minutes.

Playoffs- 20.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 2.9 TO, 1.2 spg, 0.3 bpg, 50.7 FG%
Finals- 18.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 4 apg, 3.3 TO, 1.2 spg, 0.1 bpg, 49.4 FG%

Also note that Manu still only played 33.6 mpg in the playoffs and came off the bench in 8 games, he shot 43.8% on 3s and had an insane 65.2 TS%.

Keys- Manu showed what great numbers he could put up if he were so inclined with a 48/5/6 game on 16/22 shooting, 5/7 3 point shooting and 11/12 free throw shooting as well as a 40/9/6 game on 12/14 from the line. Came off the bench and had a huge 32 point, 9 rebound game on 10/13 shooting from the line to put the Spurs up 2-1. He had an insanely efficient 28 point game on 9/11 shooting and 8/10 from the line to put the Spurs up 2-0 vs Seattle and a 39/4/6 game on 10/15 shooting, 4/6 3 point shooting and 15/17 free throw shooting to give the Spurs a 3-2 lead vs Seattle. He also played great in the finals wins with 26 points and 9 rebounds on 4/4 shooting in game 1, 27 points and 7 assists on 6/8 shooting, 4/5 3 point shooting and 11/13 free throw shooting in game 2, shot poorly, but had a near triple double with 15 points, 6 rebounds and 9 assists in game 5 and he closed out the series with 23/5/4 on 8/13 shooting. Some thought he deserved finals MVP.

2008 Paul Pierce

Regular Season- 19.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.5 apg, 2.8 TO, 1.3 spg, 0.4 bpg, 46.4 FG%

All-NBA 3rd team, 14th in MVP voting, 66-16 record

Playoffs- 19.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 TO, 1.1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 44.1 FG%
Finals- 21.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 3.7 TO 1.2 spg, 0.3 bpg, 43.2 FG%

Keys- Paul led the Celtics to a 7-2 record without Kevin Garnett midseason which helped Boston keep up their prolific win percentage and give them home court advantage very easily. Pierce had a 41/4/5 game 7 vs Cleveland on 13/23 from the field, 4/6 on 3s and 11/12 from the line. He closed out Detroit with 27 points and 8 rebounds on 8/12 shooting and 10/13 from the line. He also had 28/4/8 on 9/16 shooting and 4/4 3 point shooting to put Boston up 2-0 vs hte Lakers, he eventually won finals MVP. Pierce also played well defensively when he was guarding Kobe and Lebron in the playoffs who were the 2 top scorers that year.

I'll rank them later, but I'm interested to see how others rank them and some reasoning because I haven't made up my mind yet personally.

1. Drexler
2. Erving, Pippen
4. Pierce
5. Ginobilli
6. Kobe ( sorry no way to rank Kobe of 2000 higher, the finals were a disgrace) )
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1; Pippen
2; Drexler/Dr.J
4; PP/Manu
6; Kobe

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Pippen
Drexler
Manu
Pierce
Kobe

I haven't seen Dr. J. play much, so I can't really rank him with the others. if I were to go straight on stats and accomplishments, he'd be about the same as Clyde for that year.

Kobe had a good reg season, but the finals choke kills his rank imo (opposite for Manu, since he had a great postseason and finals. His defense is also underappreciated).
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Default Re: Rank these shooting guards/small forwards based on the single season specified

1. Ginobili '05
2. Pippen '92/Drexler '95
4. Dr. J '83
5. Pierce '08
6. Kobe '00
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