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Old 10-20-2010, 10:14 PM   #31
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The Pats D has been pretty average the last 4-5 years even during that perfect season. They never really had superstars, but were always deep and able to rotate different guys for certain formations. Now all the depth is gone and the players got old (especially the LBs). They do have a truckload of picks coming though. That D will be back in no time.

The trading of Moss is a sign that Belichek is going back to his original formula

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Old 10-21-2010, 08:47 AM   #32
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Welker gets double coverage while catching 7 balls for 53 yards....allowing Deion Branch to grab 9 balls for 98 yards and a TD....nothings changed in NE except the fact that a malcontent prima donna is gone....Moss was just a cog in a great system with a great QB....LOL
23 points...in overtime. Most important play of the game was a punt. 44/26 run/pass ratio is the reason the receivers had those "big" numbers. Do not be fooled: That's not a good offense. Tom Brady can run it because he had plenty of experience with it pre-Moss but this was a large step backwards.
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23 points...in overtime. Most important play of the game was a punt. 44/26 run/pass ratio is the reason the receivers had those "big" numbers. Do not be fooled: That's not a good offense. Tom Brady can run it because he had plenty of experience with it pre-Moss but this was a large step backwards.


you and a lot of people here put way too much emphasis in name value players imo. the only player the Pats can't afford to lose is Brady, everyone else is very expendable, and familiarity between QB-receivers goes a LONG way. the only time i've seen this offense/Brady stall was when all of their starters were banged up a few years back.

i also think this idea that the Pats can't go deep anymore because they dinked and dunked against the Ravens(who are a top D in the league) is false. they'll go deep, especially if everyone is playing dink and dunk. its not like they can't anymore, and its a joke how media is trying to play that after their game with the RAVENS.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:28 PM   #34
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"Name value?" We're still probably three weeks away from anyone overtaking Moss's lead in team touchdowns. That's REAL value. Moss was the #1 difference in Brady having a career year and the offense setting records. It's possible for the team to find other ways to win, and yes, Brady is the most important player but acting like Moss wasn't a major weapon is just dumb.Brady just threw it 44 times and only had one TD. That's very much related to Moss's absence.
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"Name value?" We're still probably three weeks away from anyone overtaking Moss's lead in team touchdowns. That's REAL value. Moss was the #1 difference in Brady having a career year and the offense setting records. It's possible for the team to find other ways to win, and yes, Brady is the most important player but acting like Moss wasn't a major weapon is just dumb.Brady just threw it 44 times and only had one TD. That's very much related to Moss's absence.


the Pats offense, and their success was there before ever acquiring Moss. in fact that offense was very good since Bledsoe...so its not like Moss came in like your depicting and all of a sudden made them great.

stats aren't telling the full story. of course Brady will focus on Moss and probably get the lion's share of the passes/TD's, but i still don't think Moss is ANYWHERE near the game breaker difference or organization difference you're painting here, definitely not these days. Pats didn't really miss much last week against the Ravens, and keep in mind we're talking about the Ravens here. we'll see the rest of the year how much they miss Moss, but i'm betting its not that much, and not nearly what a lot of people here think.

we'll see...
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Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that the offense set records with Moss and Brady, the fact that this season Moss is still the Pat's TD leader by a wide margin, or the fact that without Moss Brady just threw 44 times with one TD to show for it. You see, ignoring reality just doesn't make sense for me.
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Sorry, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that the offense set records with Moss and Brady, the fact that this season Moss is still the Pat's TD leader by a wide margin, or the fact that without Moss Brady just threw 44 times with one TD to show for it. You see, ignoring reality just doesn't make sense for me.


but u should at least recognize the offense is still very good without Moss...and weigh that into your praise or rather frustration of being Moss-less.

and Moss really hasn't done much all year so far. blame it on Brady if you want, but imo its like getting out of a bad relationship with someone who was high maintenance even if they were hot as shit.
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"Pretty good?" 20 points in regulation, 3 more that were 90% about defense and a big punt in OT. No, I'm not happy about the offense. Saying it's "bad" would be going too far but it's taken a step backwards.
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"Pretty good?" 20 points in regulation, 3 more that were 90% about defense and a big punt in OT. No, I'm not happy about the offense. Saying it's "bad" would be going too far but it's taken a step backwards.


did you even watch the game? first of all there were quite a few drops on 3rd down, that Brady drilled that ended up right where they should be, but maybe a little too hard altho pro receivers should catch those. they ended a lot of their drives wehre they had momentum.

second of all you're playing the Ravens. To even move the ball like they did against the Ravens IS very good.

whatever. i'm not going to keep trying to convince you your homer team is good still, just remember my argument when you eventually reach that conclusion and get over Moss.
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Anyone else think the Pats gave Woodhead way too many carries that game?
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LOL @ "did you watch the game." Stupid thing to ask a Pats fan that lives in Boston. And you bringing up the drops as if that somehow makes the receiver corp look better without Moss is completely backwards logic.

Baltimore has D but the Pats only got 3 more points than 2 of the previous 5 managed in regulation.
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Anyone else think the Pats gave Woodhead way too many carries that game?

Woodhead displayed moves AP would've been tackled on believe it or not. he deserved more carries tbh, and played a hell of a game. his cuts sometimes were sick, where most running bcks, even star RB's, wouldn't have made and got tackled on.

i'm not saying he's going to be some star, but if you're judging him from that Ravens game he was a beast. he made stuff out of nothing with some of those carries.
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Anyone else think the Pats gave Woodhead way too many carries that game?
Who else was gonna run the ball? 26/44 run/pass was bad enough as it is. Woodhead did a good job all considered.
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LOL @ "did you watch the game." Stupid thing to ask a Pats fan that lives in Boston. And you bringing up the drops as if that somehow makes the receiver corp look better without Moss is completely backwards logic.

Baltimore has D but the Pats only got 3 more points than 2 of the previous 5 managed in regulation.


well they were mental mistakes, and Welker was at fault for a crucial one, which isn't typical of him, nor their receivers in general. but you should know that if you watched the game...it'd be one thing if it were based on scrub receivers but they're all capable of catching those balls. either way they were moving the ball otherwise, and the offense did not look nearly as bad as your stat tthrowing suggests.

i honestly don't know what your expectations are of the Pats, but i don't think their offense looked bad at all. i'm surprised youre being so critical of them.
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Who else was gonna run the ball? 26/44 run/pass was bad enough as it is. Woodhead did a good job all considered.


no he did a great job. he should've been tackled on a lot of his carries way before the yardage he got, including a cut that was amazing where almost any other rb would've been tackled in the backfield.

meh i don't get why you're so disappointed. especially since i think it was you that was so down on your defense prior to the game, and a lot of people were picking the Ravens to win it.
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