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Old 10-25-2010, 03:10 PM   #16
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damn poodle you're a ****ing idiot if you think Moss doesnt open it up for harvin just a plain retard gtfo of here


some of you don't really know football like hyou think and its f'in sad how mcuh some of you bandwagon players on lvls that aren't even realistic anymore

i guess there are kobe fans in every sport, but i guess ISH is where you'll find almost all of them cross sports and dumb as shit in how they view everything


btw aren't you the same jackass that called for Moss to have like over 150 yds and 2 TD's the other week? and something like that this week? its just so dumb with a lot of you and how much up some player's ass's you are, but at least you paid with your lunch money :
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:16 PM   #17
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Randy Moss didn't come here to have TJack throwing him balls.

Favre still has a top arm and is the same player he was last year. He will turn it around.
it wont matter once the league suspends him for 4 games for sexually harassing a team employee
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Old 10-25-2010, 03:40 PM   #18
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they talked about this on 1st and 10 ESPN today...

rating of 68.0...30th in the NFL

Matt Moore and Derek Anderson are the only 2 QBs that have been worse than Favre this year...



the Vikes and Favre are going to be in a very uncomfortable situation if he keeps playing this bad...

if you include his off the field issues...he is MILES AND MILES away from what his image was last year...it is unreal how far he has fallen off in general...
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:05 PM   #19
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Poodle.

Relax. It isn't anything like that. There is no Moss hype. Only what is.

You've got to understand that Moss as a Rookie was better than most wr's will ever be in their prime. And that, 11 years later he was still putting up 83/1265/13. Are his yards down this year? Yeah, but we aren't even halfway through the season yet. Anybody who has the greatest case as the No. 2 receiver of all-time is going to generate interest.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:14 PM   #20
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Didn't Tavaris Jackson take this team to the playoffs 2 years ago?
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:17 PM   #21
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T-Jack is terrible, and Favre along with a lot of other QB's have shitty games like this occasionally, altho Favre has a lot of issues adding to his age and playing shitty. he still EASILY gives them the better chance to win over Tarvaris as long as he can play and throw it.
"Occasionally?" He has a statistical argument for being the worst QB in the NFL this season. And as an added bonus, an MRI showed 2 fractures in his ankle (of course, they still won't rule out him playing). Jackson has done better than a 68 passer rating without Moss and Harvin.

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you all here put WAY too much value/stock in big names. the Vikiings have always under-achieved, and they'll under-achieve even more with Moss added to AP, Favre, etc. hype expectations. also pretty tired of hearing the MOss hype here even when he doesn't do much, and no he wasn't the main reason why Harvin was open, any other #1 would've taken the top CB away to be covered, leaving Harvin open in the same situation against lesser CB's. its really about multi WR sets and how opposing CB's trickle down from the top receiver to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options which SOME teams take big advantages of...not the Moss factor like everyone pretends to assume. Moss even gets 1 on 1 coverage pretty often...
You see that 35 yard half on Sunday passing for the Pats? 179 yards of total offense? Time for you to wake up. Moss matters.
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Didn't Tavaris Jackson take this team to the playoffs 2 years ago?
Might be more accurate to say that the team took him to the playoffs, but yes, it's true.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:38 PM   #23
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Two ankle fractures? Seriously?

This happened early in the 3RD QUARTER.
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T-Jack is terrible, and Favre along with a lot of other QB's have shitty games like this occasionally, altho Favre has a lot of issues adding to his age and playing shitty. he still EASILY gives them the better chance to win over Tarvaris as long as he can play and throw it.

you all here put WAY too much value/stock in big names. the Vikiings have always under-achieved, and they'll under-achieve even more with Moss added to AP, Favre, etc. hype expectations. also pretty tired of hearing the MOss hype here even when he doesn't do much, and no he wasn't the main reason why Harvin was open, any other #1 would've taken the top CB away to be covered, leaving Harvin open in the same situation against lesser CB's. its really about multi WR sets and how opposing CB's trickle down from the top receiver to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options which SOME teams take big advantages of...not the Moss factor like everyone pretends to assume. Moss even gets 1 on 1 coverage pretty often...

anyways the other thing i hate about Minny is their OC's play calling. its so generic, and there is almost no creativity its a huge reason why they've under-achieved for a while now imo.

Harvin may be the worst route runner in football. Great speed, big play ability, but coasts through his routes. The INT where the CB came over his shoulder for the pick looked like a tremendous defensive play, but it was all made possible by Harvin giving up on the route.

Guy's a tremendous talent but, as has been shown time and again, having the ability to make big plays with the ball in your hands doesn't necessarily make you a WR. See: Hester, Devin.
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"Occasionally?" He has a statistical argument for being the worst QB in the NFL this season. And as an added bonus, an MRI showed 2 fractures in his ankle (of course, they still won't rule out him playing). Jackson has done better than a 68 passer rating without Moss and Harvin.


You see that 35 yard half on Sunday passing for the Pats? 179 yards of total offense? Time for you to wake up. Moss matters.


Favre is obviously hurt, has a bunch of drama going on, and is old on the verge of retirement but to pretend he can't have good games anymore is naive and stupid. the same naivety that LT was washed up. the same naivety that most sheep fans just repeat after a bad outing or bad outings, but every NFL QB doesn't always have every week great sundays, and that goes for Brady too. i honestly dont think Moss would've made the difference either but who knows. he sure didn't make the huge difference in their first five games either. and yet the way a lot of you prop him here is retarded, especially when you're throwing in all time stats to hype him each sunday

like i said he doesn't even get double coverage every play anymore. and yet you all still use the excuse that he opens up everyone else for just being there you can keep pretending anytime NE has a poor passing outing its because they don't have Moss, but i bet a lot more has to do with the oline and the pressure Brady is under, more than Moss making/breaking their passing game.

its funny since the way a lot of you talked right when Moss was traded was like Moss was the best player in the NFL(not even close btw) and he still hasn't even had a huge game yet to show it. he's not getting anywere NEAR the attention a lot of you all pretend here either by defenses. whatever tho. its almost like you like Moss more than NE as a team but either way i don't think you'll ever be happy even if NE wins the Superbowl for them letting Moss go....

and yeah i'm saying Moss is overrated. Most of all here
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Poodle.

Relax. It isn't anything like that. There is no Moss hype. Only what is.

You've got to understand that Moss as a Rookie was better than most wr's will ever be in their prime. And that, 11 years later he was still putting up 83/1265/13. Are his yards down this year? Yeah, but we aren't even halfway through the season yet. Anybody who has the greatest case as the No. 2 receiver of all-time is going to generate interest.


i strongly disagree. you guys are years late on hyping Moss the way you're doing right now. he WAS that sick with Minny with Culpepper there when they were just lobbing grenades to him. thats when he DESERVED all of this hype. but his TD's with the Pats with 3/4's almost being picture perfect Brady throws on deep routes and the Pats juggernaut system where it looked easy, just isn't the same thing.

just really tired of seeing the impractical Moss hype, and even when he doesn't do much, you all here always act like he's played some huge roll being a dummy when he's mostly being single covered. back in the day he was getting crazy attention but D's but these days most team's top corners are 1v1'ing him often.
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Harvin may be the worst route runner in football. Great speed, big play ability, but coasts through his routes. The INT where the CB came over his shoulder for the pick looked like a tremendous defensive play, but it was all made possible by Harvin giving up on the route.

Guy's a tremendous talent but, as has been shown time and again, having the ability to make big plays with the ball in your hands doesn't necessarily make you a WR. See: Hester, Devin.


he's just not a #1, and excels as a #2 or #3 receiver. he's also not tall and big which is how Favre likes his receivers it seems. i just don't think Favre is the greatest at getting quicker, smaller guys the football than freaks where he can sling it and they can outbody or catch them.

i'm not a big harvin fan or anything but he's fine as a big play threat, and #2 or #3, and should improve since he's only in his 2nd yeari think.
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I don't think you realize how much Moss impacts the game. He can have 0 catches and still have a profound impact on how the defense plays. He absolutely scares the crap out of defensive coordinators.
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I don't think you realize how much Moss impacts the game. He can have 0 catches and still have a profound impact on how the defense plays. He absolutely scares the crap out of defensive coordinators.


its just not true like it used to be. most of it is just yapping. i sure don't believe it when he's getting single coverage a lot.

there was a time was Moss was dominating, where/when he earned a lot of his current hype. he'd just sprint down the field, culpepper would just bomb it, and Moss would catch it with like 2-3 DB's all falling down trying to at his ankles. thats when he was the best player in football and a D coordinators nightmare.

these days he's nowhere near that player anymore, and most decent D's are throwing their top CB on him but not always even a double anymore. fitzgerald attracts more attention than mMoss these days.
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Favre is obviously hurt, has a bunch of drama going on, and is old on the verge of retirement but to pretend he can't have good games anymore is naive and stupid. the same naivety that LT was washed up. the same naivety that most sheep fans just repeat after a bad outing or bad outings, but every NFL QB doesn't always have every week great sundays, and that goes for Brady too. i honestly dont think Moss would've made the difference either but who knows. he sure didn't make the huge difference in their first five games either. and yet the way a lot of you prop him here is retarded, especially when you're throwing in all time stats to hype him each sunday
What part of "leads league in interceptions" and "30th in passer rating" do you not understand? We're not talking about 1 or 2 bad games, we're talking about a bad season.

Of course you don't think Moss makes a difference, that would entail admitting that you were wrong. But don't tell me Moss made no difference in the first 5 games when he is STILL leading the team in touchdowns. I want no part of that kind of idiocy.
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