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Old 10-31-2010, 01:51 PM   #16
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Nevada's schedule is a joke.

The coaches and computers on which the Bogus Cheating Scam is based have them among the top 25 teams in the country.

Either the system has it right or they have it wrong. Can't be both ways.
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:54 PM   #17
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The system is not rigged. Teams know what they have to do to be contenders before the season starts, and that includes putting together the best schedule possible. Boise St. has not done that, and should not be rewarded for it.

Who has Alabama or Oregon played out of conference? Nobody. No rational argument can be made that their OOC is stronger than Boise's.

So the entire argument is based on their conference schedule, which supposedly contains superior teams. Yet each year, the teams from the MWC and WAC have a comparable bowl record vs those same teams.
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It's amazing how Boise's opponents start out the year in the polls that are so important to those that support the current system...but are suddenly no good when they lose to Boise.

LOL, you come up with more BS than what you claim from the BCS. VT was no longer considered good when they lost to James Madison, but now they're getting some love due to beating crappy teams.

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You're among those with the antiquated, media driven notion that there's a big dropoff in quality between conferences.

There is a big drop off between conferences and it's beyond clear to anyone who doesn't have a Boise St. agenda.

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Those folks cite the depth of the big conferences because they can't tout the best vs best.

Or it's because conferences are made up of more than 1 team, and most of your games come against teams in that conference.
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Who has Alabama or Oregon played out of conference? Nobody. No rational argument can be made that their OOC is stronger than Boise's.

So the entire argument is based on their conference schedule, which supposedly contains superior teams. Yet each year, the teams from the MWC and WAC have a comparable bowl record vs those same teams.
Penn St. and Duke are comparable to Va.Tech and Oregon State. Especially considering that Virginia Tech lost to a FCS school the next week.

Boise St.'s conference affiliation means that they have to go above and beyond what other team's have to prove themselves.
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Oregon played a SEC team on the road for a non-conference team. Tennessee isn't great, but it's a tougher opponent than most teams schedule for a non-conference game.
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I would like to see Oregon take it all the way this year. LSU is out of it, and I don't want to see them win with such a pathetic QB group. LaMichael for Heisman and Ducks for the title.
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Eh if Boise State gets screwed it is on Boise State. They think they are too good to build their program the way Miami, Nebraska, FSU and others did, by playing true national powers on the road. Boise St. plays middling BCS programs, and expects that to impress people who no better. ESPN hypes them incessantly because Boise St. games are cheap, easily hyped because of their inflated record, and their victories lead to controversy their talking heads can seize upon.

Boise has offered a 1 for 1 with ANY and ALL major teams, because no one offers Boise as much as they will make by playing a home game against a top team (they make almost $2 million per home game).

No one wants to play Boise in Boise, which hurts them. Boise is willing to play in your stadium, but that team needs to be willing to play in Boise's stadium.

I think Boise defeating Oklahoma in a BCS bowl game just how good they are and how great a program they are.

Honestly, I really want a top program to step up and accept a 1 and 1 and make Boise put up or shut up.
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LOL, you come up with more BS than what you claim from the BCS. VT was no longer considered good when they lost to James Madison, but now they're getting some love due to beating crappy teams.


There is a big drop off between conferences and it's beyond clear to anyone who doesn't have a Boise St. agenda.



Or it's because conferences are made up of more than 1 team, and most of your games come against teams in that conference.

That's right. You're the guy who thinks things should be based on how teams are "considered" rather than what they do on the field. VT is undefeated in their BCS conference. I'm not saying there's anything special about the ACC, though they do have three teams ranked in the top 25.

You were clear about your view on this last week when you said it wasn't "fair" for the winners of the top 8 conferences to compete in an 8 team playoff. That's cool...everyone's entitled to their opinion. But you really should look in a mirror and hear yourself say it out loud:

"I don't think it's fair for the 8 biggest conference winners to make the playoffs. I think it's more fair for some guys in blazers to decide which teams make the playoffs by guessing which ones are best. It's just not right for teams that lose their conference to not have another chance."
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The coaches and computers on which the Bogus Cheating Scam is based have them among the top 25 teams in the country.

Either the system has it right or they have it wrong. Can't be both ways.

Well they have it wrong. Now what?
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That's right. You're the guy who thinks things should be based on how teams are "considered" rather than what they do on the field.

Um, no. You're the paranoid guy who wants 4-5 loss teams in the playoffs over 0-1 loss teams.

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VT is undefeated in their BCS conference. I'm not saying there's anything special about the ACC, though they do have three teams ranked in the top 25.

Yeah, they've beaten 3-5 BC, 2-6 WF, 2-6 Duke, and 6-2 NC State. Only 1 team worth a damn, but their resume is rather underwhelming, too.

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"I don't think it's fair for the 8 biggest conference winners to make the playoffs. I think it's more fair for some guys in blazers to decide which teams make the playoffs by guessing which ones are best. It's just not right for teams that lose their conference to not have another chance."

Is there a point in there somewhere? You just assume that the small guy is going to get screwed over every time because you're paranoid. What if the conference winner did get in? OK, what if Hawaii beats Boise? They have 3 cupcakes after that, so they'd end up being the conference winner. Do you want a team that got crushed by an awful Colorado team in the playoffs? VT could win the ACC, so do you want a team that lost to James Madison in the playoffs? Do you want Pitt or Syracuse in the playoffs over teams like Oklahoma, Alabama or Ohio State? College basketball used to do it like that (only conference winners make the tourney), but then they realized how stupid it was and dropped it. Some great teams got screwed over:

"South Carolina did not see any postseason play despite going 14-0 in the ACC and 25-3 overall when N.C. State won the ACC tournament and took the conference's only tournament bid. (The Carolina Coliseum was hosting the East Regional of the NCAA tournament, meaning South Carolina could not go to the NIT either.) In the 1971 season, USC was ranked #2 in the country with its only 2 losses coming against conference rival and #1 ranked UCLA, so USC could not go to the tournament. In 1974, North Carolina State and Maryland, both in the ACC, were ranked #2 and #3 respectively. They met in an ACC title game that N.C. State won in overtime, gaining the ACC's only tournament bid."

Under your method, we can look at past years and apply it:

2002: 9-4 FSU and 7-6 Cincinnati would have been in the playoffs while 10-2 Texas, 10-2 KSU, and 11-1 Iowa (went undefeated in its conference) would have been left out of the playoffs. Awesome how some teams with 4-6 losses get in while a 11-1 team that went undefeated in its conference would have been left out.

2005: 9-3 Boise St. (lost to 5-6 Oregon State) and 8-4 FSU (lost to a couple teams with 4-5 losses) make the playoffs while 10-1 Oregon (only loss was to #2 USC), 9-2 OSU (2 close losses to 2 of the best teams in the nation), and 9-2 Alabama (2 close losses to 2 really good teams) get left out. Awesome how teams with 3-4 losses and losses to bad/mediocre teams get in while a team with its only loss coming to a team that was 1 play away from winning the NC gets left out.

2008: 9-4 VT (all losses were to teams that had 4-6 losses) gets in while 11-1 Texas (close loss to a pretty good team) and 12-1 Alabama (close loss to the eventual national champ) get left out. Now, you also want to do away with CCGs, so that means that Florida (who won the national championship) would have been left out of the playoffs. Under your method, a team that went on to win the national championship, Florida, wouldn't have even gotten a chance to play for it...
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Who has Alabama or Oregon played out of conference? Nobody. No rational argument can be made that their OOC is stronger than Boise's.
Oregon went on the road to an SEC team for their second game of the year. When was the last time boise did that? How can you even pretend that Boise's schedule compares to Oregon and Alabama?
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Oregon went on the road to an SEC team for their second game of the year. When was the last time boise did that? How can you even pretend that Boise's schedule compares to Oregon and Alabama?

Seriously?

Bama plays Penn State, San Jose and Georgia State at home, Duke on the road.

Oregon went to Tennessee...a good game... but home vs Portland State and New Mexico.

Boise played at Va Tech who everyone wants to blast in hindsight, but the same system people are touting had them in the top 10 in the nation. They'll be the conference champ and an automatic BCS game qualifier. Boise hosted Oregon State.

According to this week's BCS standings, Oregon will play two Top 25 teams this season (Az and Stanford) both at home.

Boise will play two (Va Tech & Nevada) road/home.

Bama's schedule looks the best, with 5 teams this week. All 5 are in the overrated SEC conference, but it's likely that 2-3 actually belong in the rankings based on play vs conference affiliation. Of course, Bama also lost to one of them (#19 South Carolina).
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Well they have it wrong. Now what?

8 team playoff. Winners of the SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, WAC and MWC.

Blind draw for opponent/location.

Simple. Eliminate "opinions" and "considereds" from the equation.

Luck and timing are always factors in any sport, especially when it comes to deciding a champion. College football is the only one that adds "the opinions of a bunch of guys closely affiliated with the universities" as another variable.
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Um, no. You're the paranoid guy who wants 4-5 loss teams in the playoffs over 0-1 loss teams.



Yeah, they've beaten 3-5 BC, 2-6 WF, 2-6 Duke, and 6-2 NC State. Only 1 team worth a damn, but their resume is rather underwhelming, too.



Is there a point in there somewhere? You just assume that the small guy is going to get screwed over every time because you're paranoid. What if the conference winner did get in? OK, what if Hawaii beats Boise? They have 3 cupcakes after that, so they'd end up being the conference winner. Do you want a team that got crushed by an awful Colorado team in the playoffs? VT could win the ACC, so do you want a team that lost to James Madison in the playoffs? Do you want Pitt or Syracuse in the playoffs over teams like Oklahoma, Alabama or Ohio State? College basketball used to do it like that (only conference winners make the tourney), but then they realized how stupid it was and dropped it. Some great teams got screwed over:

Under your method, a team that went on to win the national championship, Florida, wouldn't have even gotten a chance to play for it...

College basketball changed nothing because "they realized how stupid it was". They changed for revenue. I was playing at the time and am familiar with how and why it occurred. College hoops has never rivaled football in popularity, with the possible exception of the 1940's & early 50's teams out of NY...which were fixing games by point shaving. The sport suffered mightily until the UCLA run of the 60's, when TV and west coast viewership became real factors for potential growth.

You simply can't compare the two sports. The field of 65 is grossly inflated, but after the winners of every conference, regardless of size, gets in, at least the at-large teams are selected based on some reasonable comparisons (Team A beat Team B, which lost to Team C). I'm not crazy about the RPI, but it's a far more representative sample than anything a college football schedule can, or ever will be able to, offer. Simply impossible given the scheduling constraints of football.

Every year, in every sport, teams that some "consider" the best don't make the post season. Maybe Florida was actually the best team that year, maybe not. They won the make believe championship. Of course, they had a 50/50 shot, beings only two teams were invited to the party. I completely agree the goal should be to crown the best team. But I don't agree that you should be given multiple chances to prove you're the best when you've already proven that you're not.

If a multi-loss team from any of the Big 6 wins their conference, they get an automatic BCS bid. I guarantee the same will hold true in any playoff proposal. In my playoff scenario, they'd still get in. I'm all for planning for the norm, not chasing what if's. I can live with the exception getting lucky. If they're no good, the playoff will prove it. If they're good and just a victim of a tough schedule, they'll prove that too.

Not a Boise fan; my education was provided by schools currently in the Big East. But I am a fan of fair competition. And any competition whose system is 2/3 based on the opinions of people with close affiliations to the schools in question, isn't it. As for paranoia, why would my concern that the little guy will get screwed...which we all know never happens in any facet of life...be paranoid, while your fear that somewhere, somehow the little guy will not be a worthy representative, isn't?

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