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Old 11-01-2010, 05:21 PM   #31
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Remember when EVERYONE thought Gene Chizik was an awful hire?
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:44 PM   #32
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College basketball changed nothing because "they realized how stupid it was". They changed for revenue.

Sorry, but I'll take the word of articles over your paranoid delusions.

"The Terrapins also played in what many consider to be the greatest Atlantic Coast Conference game in history and one of the greatest college basketball games ever the championship of the 1974 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament, won 103-100 in overtime by eventual national champion North Carolina State. The game was instrumental in forcing the expansion of the NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship, thus allowing for at-large bids and the inclusion of more than one team per conference"

"Prior to 1975, only one team per conference could be in the NCAA tournament. However, a few factors led the NCAA to expand the field, notably the 1971 season when USC was #2 in the country with only 2 losses (both to #1 UCLA), and the 1974 ACC basketball Tournament final between Maryland and NC State, both of whom were top 5 teams that year."

Revenue is always important, but to say it was only because of revenue is stupid. I've read a bit of what committee members said about the tournament over the years and I can see you're full of shit once again.

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You simply can't compare the two sports. The field of 65 is grossly inflated

How is it grossly inflated?

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Every year, in every sport, teams that some "consider" the best don't make the post season. Maybe Florida was actually the best team that year, maybe not. They won the make believe championship. Of course, they had a 50/50 shot, beings only two teams were invited to the party.

And in your method, they would have had no chance whatsoever while a mediocre VT team would have. Florida lost by 1 point early in the season after getting their PAT blocked on their last TD. They also had a chance very late in the game, but came up short on 4th-and-1 at their opponent's 32 yard line. After that, they won the rest of their games by an average of 33.8 points. They ended the season by beating 12-0 Alabama and then 12-1 OU, but under your process they would have instead played in some lackluster bowl game wondering what could have been all because of one little slip up early in the season.

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I completely agree the goal should be to crown the best team. But I don't agree that you should be given multiple chances to prove you're the best when you've already proven that you're not.

Wait, you just talked about the constraints of the schedule and yet you don't think a team should be given multiple chances? A team should be given chances because any team can have an off day, lose a close game to a very good team, have bad luck, lose due to injuries, etc. I hate the one-and-done nature of college football. Your way would allow for teams with 4-6 losses to make the playoffs, so some teams would be given many chances to prove what they can while others with less losses wouldn't be able to.

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But I am a fan of fair competition.

You keep saying that you are while you keep proving that you're not. As bad as the process is now, I'm glad you have nothing to do with it. Your way is much more flawed, ridiculous and makes even less sense.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:23 PM   #33
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Sorry, but I'll take the word of articles over your paranoid delusions.

A team should be given chances because any team can have an off day, lose a close game to a very good team, have bad luck, lose due to injuries, etc. I hate the one-and-done nature of college football. Your way would allow for teams with 4-6 losses to make the playoffs, so some teams would be given many chances to prove what they can while others with less losses wouldn't be able to.



You keep saying that you are while you keep proving that you're not. As bad as the process is now, I'm glad you have nothing to do with it. Your way is much more flawed, ridiculous and makes even less sense.

You said in an earleir thread that you supported a playoff system. Does't that conflict with your hatred of the one-and-done nature of sport? Wait. That's right. You favor one-and-done unless you think they deserve a second chance.

The bolded part says it all. You're right. Everyone should get as many chances as they need until they get a trophy. Well, everyone except teams with multiple, consecutive undefeated seasons that have alreay proven that they're capable of playing with anyone in the country, but who happen to reside outside the Cartel Conferences.

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You said in an earleir thread that you supported a playoff system. Does't that conflict with your hatred of the one-and-done nature of sport?

How does that conflict at all?

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You favor one-and-done unless you think they deserve a second chance.

What?

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The bolded part says it all. You're right. Everyone should get as many chances as they need until they get a trophy.

Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. Probably because your whole stance is so flimsy this is the only thing you can resort to. You want to explain how a 7-6 team from a small conference gets rewarded with a playoff spot while a 11-1 team that went undefeated in a power conference is left out?

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Well, everyone except teams with multiple, consecutive undefeated seasons that have alreay proven that they're capable of playing with anyone in the country, but who happen to reside outside the Cartel Conferences.

Nice how I never said Boise doesn't deserve to get in the playoffs if they're worthy. Your paranoia knows no bounds.

I know it probably won't happen, but I hope Hawaii beats Boise. That should stop some of the crying for a little while.
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8 team playoff. Winners of the SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10, WAC and MWC.

Blind draw for opponent/location.

Simple. Eliminate "opinions" and "considereds" from the equation.

Luck and timing are always factors in any sport, especially when it comes to deciding a champion. College football is the only one that adds "the opinions of a bunch of guys closely affiliated with the universities" as another variable.

Nope if you're going to do conference winners you have to have at large bids too. Because I agree with playoffs but you're kidding yourself if you think those conferences area all equal.

And anything past 8 teams seems like a stretch because it would take weeks to get a winner.

Top-8 playoff. It's still imperfect, but in reality, there will never be a time when any of the college sports stuff isn't influenced by things away from the game. In this manner the champion will be crowned having earned it.
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Nope if you're going to do conference winners you have to have at large bids too. Because I agree with playoffs but you're kidding yourself if you think those conferences area all equal.

And anything past 8 teams seems like a stretch because it would take weeks to get a winner.

Top-8 playoff. It's still imperfect, but in reality, there will never be a time when any of the college sports stuff isn't influenced by things away from the game. In this manner the champion will be crowned having earned it.

Hand picked contenders from the conferences whose financial advantage enables them to control the game.

If that's all your after, keep the current system and Make Believe Championship. Don't lie to people and tell them they're getting a legitimate champion.
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Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. Probably because your whole stance is so flimsy this is the only thing you can resort to. You want to explain how a 7-6 team from a small conference gets rewarded with a playoff spot while a 11-1 team that went undefeated in a power conference is left out?

As soon as you explain how it is we determine which teams losses are excused because of having "an off day, lose a close game to a very good team, have bad luck, lose due to injuries, etc" and which teams losses aren't excused.

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By watching the games. No system will be perfect, but why do you want a heavily flawed system that makes no sense? Why don't you just take turns handing the NC to small teams like Boise, Utah, TCU, etc. every year instead?
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By watching the games. No system will be perfect, but why do you want a heavily flawed system that makes no sense? Why don't you just take turns handing the NC to small teams like Boise, Utah, TCU, etc. every year instead?

We have a heavily flawed system that makes no sense.

If giving Boise, TCU or Utah a chance to participate in the playoffs equates to "handing" them a national championship, then there is obviously something horribly wrong with a system that excludes them.
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Hand picked contenders from the conferences whose financial advantage enables them to control the game.

If that's all your after, keep the current system and Make Believe Championship. Don't lie to people and tell them they're getting a legitimate champion.

I don't understand what you're saying here. Could you rephrase?
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I don't understand what you're saying here. Could you rephrase?

Sure.

You say the "top 8" make the playoffs.

Right now, the top 8 are determined by a bunch of guys with ties to schools in the Big 6 conferences. The human polls make up 2/3 of the BCS ranking, so it can be swayed mightily by something as simple as the coaches in a conference all voting a team 10th instead of 5th.

Any playoff system the BCS accepts will give automatic berths to the winners of the 6 BCS conferences, just like they're guaranteed a BCS bowl game now. Bank on it. There's no way they alienate their charter schools/conferences by eliminating them from the party. So those that cry about multi-loss teams making the playoffs have to realize that can happen in the ACC, Big East, etc as easily as it can in the MWC, WAC or Ivy League for that matter.

Va Tech is going to win the ACC this year and get a BCS bowl. If a playoff system was in place, Va Tech would make it as well. So would whoever wins the crappy Big East. It's foolish to believe otherwise.

So why shouldn't the winners of two conferences that have proven that their best teams can play with and beat anyone in the country be part of the mix?

I love the notion that Boise, Utah, TCU...hell, anyone that earns the spot...gets a chance to prove their worth. People said there was no way an AFL team could beat the best in the NFL. They said the ABA was a playground league full of undisciplined rogues who couldn't play "real" basketball. They said the likes of George Mason and Butler couldn't compete with the best. Before that they said black players weren't smart enough to beat a good white college team. Buster Duglas didn't have a shot vs Tyson, just like Ali had no shot vs Foreman. The list goes on and on. Point is, people don't know shit about how teams match up. If they did, they'd be making millions betting. So why let people guess who's entitled to a chance?

It boggles the mind that anyone would think that any system where teams are handpicked, with no set criteria, is more fair than saying "here are the rules, here's how you get in, good luck".

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Sure.

You say the "top 8" make the playoffs.

Right now, the top 8 are determined by a bunch of guys with ties to schools in the Big 6 conferences. The human polls make up 2/3 of the BCS ranking, so it can be swayed mightily by something as simple as the coaches in a conference all voting a team 10th instead of 5th.

Any playoff system the BCS accepts will give automatic berths to the winners of the 6 BCS conferences, just like they're guaranteed a BCS bowl game now. Bank on it. There's no way they alienate their charter schools/conferences by eliminating them from the party. So those that cry about multi-loss teams making the playoffs have to realize that can happen in the ACC, Big East, etc as easily as it can in the MWC, WAC or Ivy League for that matter.

Va Tech is going to win the ACC this year and get a BCS bowl. If a playoff system was in place, Va Tech would make it as well. So would whoever wins the crappy Big East. It's foolish to believe otherwise.

So why shouldn't the winners of two conferences that have proven that their best teams can play with and beat anyone in the country be part of the mix?

I love the notion that Boise, Utah, TCU...hell, anyone that earns the spot...gets a chance to prove their worth. People said there was no way an AFL team could beat the best in the NFL. They said the ABA was a playground league full of undisciplined rogues who couldn't play "real" basketball. They said the likes of George Mason and Butler couldn't compete with the best. Before that they said black players weren't smart enough to beat a good white college team. Buster Duglas didn't have a shot vs Tyson, just like Ali had no shot vs Foreman. The list goes on and on. Point is, people don't know shit about how teams match up. If they did, they'd be making millions betting. So why let people guess who's entitled to a chance?

It boggles the mind that anyone would think that any system where teams are handpicked, with no set criteria, is more fair than saying "here are the rules, here's how you get in, good luck".

No. The Top-8 would make it. Plain and simple. Regardless of conference. There would be no conference winners who get automatic berths as I stated before. So right now the playoffs would be:

Bracket 1:
Oregon v Oklahoma
Boise St. v Utah

Bracket 2:
TCU v Alabama
Auburn v Nebraska

Last year would have been:

Bracket 1:
Alabama v Ohio St
Texas v Oregon

Bracket 2:
Cincinnati v Boise St
TCU v Florida
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No. The Top-8 would make it. Plain and simple. Regardless of conference. There would be no conference winners who get automatic berths as I stated before. So right now the playoffs would be:

Bracket 1:
Oregon v Oklahoma
Boise St. v Utah

Bracket 2:
TCU v Alabama
Auburn v Nebraska

Last year would have been:

Bracket 1:
Alabama v Ohio St
Texas v Oregon

Bracket 2:
Cincinnati v Boise St
TCU v Florida

In a perfect world, great. In the real world, that's how it will shape up. There's no way any of the Big 6 will be excluded. If they could, there would already be a playoff system in place.

You're content with people arbitrarily deciding who gets in.

I'm not.
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In a perfect world, great. In the real world, that's how it will shape up. There's no way any of the Big 6 will be excluded. If they could, there would already be a playoff system in place.

You're content with people arbitrarily deciding who gets in.

I'm not.

You have a jaded view of the whole situation.
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You have a jaded view of the whole situation.

LOL Fair enough.

We can revisit this years down the road when we're still waiting for a playoff. The holdup, as I see it, stems from two things: the BCS made it's bed with the Big 6 cartel and they can't get out of it, and greed. Actually, that's one thing.

I'd rather see a playoff that has clearly defined parameters, even if that means including a couple crappy teams, than a system that's entirely arbitrary. That's what we have now.

It happens in the pros all the time. I remember the AZ Cardinals being called "the worst playoff team of all time" by experts...about a month before they came within inches of winning the Super Bowl. It wasn't any less exciting because the NFC favorite didn't make it, and that pains me to say. The Cards beat my Eagles, who appeared to have the inside track.

Just don't let the decision of who gets to play come down to a bunch of people with a vested interest in the outcome. That's the antithesis of fair. And if it's not a fair competition, it's more WWE than NFL.
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