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Old 11-02-2010, 10:01 PM   #46
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Default Re: Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in the MLB

It doesnt, im assuming he meant that if he recieves more run support he will get more wins which will make him a more legit Cy Young candidate, King Felix was the best pitcher in the AL last year but he won't win the Cy cause of his win total.
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I mean obviously Felix Hernandez pitched better than CC Sabathia most of last season but CC will probably win the Cy because he won 20 games.
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Lincecum is the best; more consistent than Halladay.
That's just an entirely new level of asinine right there.
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JohnnySic must have slept through the entire month of july..
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Default Re: Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in the MLB

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Lincecum is the best; more consistent than Halladay.

More consistent?? Doc smokes him in almost every stat, so what does that say about consistency??
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Default Re: Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in the MLB

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It doesnt, im assuming he meant that if he recieves more run support he will get more wins which will make him a more legit Cy Young candidate, King Felix was the best pitcher in the AL last year but he won't win the Cy cause of his win total.

Yea that's pretty much what I ment. You can almost book Cain for a good to great start almost everytime out yet he doesn't get as many wins as he could because of the lack of run support much like King Felix in Seattle.
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Default Re: Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in the MLB

there was a stretch in the beginning of that season where the giants blew 5 straight games where lincecum pitched and left with a lead. but he did have some bad stretches this season as well, there was a point this season where he changed his pitching motion. hes back though just ask the braves, phillies and rangers
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Default Re: Tim Lincecum is the best pitcher in the MLB

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More consistent?? Doc smokes him in almost every stat, so what does that say about consistency??
Dont get me wrong, I like Halladay and have him as #2, but he is not better nor more consistent than Lincecum.

Lincecum just has better "stuff". Halladay is one of those workhorse types that gets by on guile and craftyness. Therefore, when he's a little off, he gets hammered, where as Lincecum can just rear back and blow batters away even when he's not at his sharpest. I'll take the more talented guy over the crafty guy most times.

And Lincecum's numbers were up a bit this year but the prior 2 years he had better ERA, whip, and strikeouts than Halladay.
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Dont get me wrong, I like Halladay and have him as #2, but he is not better nor more consistent than Lincecum.

Lincecum just has better "stuff". Halladay is one of those workhorse types that gets by on guile and craftyness. Therefore, when he's a little off, he gets hammered, where as Lincecum can just rear back and blow batters away even when he's not at his sharpest. I'll take the more talented guy over the crafty guy most times.

And Lincecum's numbers were up a bit this year but the prior 2 years he had better ERA, whip, and strikeouts than Halladay.
This is just mind-blowingly wrong, on so many levels.

First, you don't earn (by your distinction) 2nd best pitcher in the show recognition by having middling stuff and weaving your way through games on "guile and craftyness." You don't throw 2 no-hitters in the same year by just being a smart pitcher. We aren't talking about some Jamie Moyer here. And when Halladay is "a little off", he doesn't get hammered. I don't mean to be rude but give your head a shake.

As for Lincecum "blowing away" batters, he throws 90 now. He doesn't blow anyone away. He gets by the same way Halladay does, by having great stuff and mixing up his stuff and locating his pitches. He doesn't rear back and throw 95 anymore. He just doesn't. Anyone who actually, you know, watched baseball this year knows this.

And on the point about Lincecum being more consistent... wow. Just wow. Year after year Halladay is near the top the American League in the toughest division baseball history in complete games, IP, era, etc. etc. and we're talking about Lincecum, who fell off hard statistically this year, as 'more consistent.'

Unreal.

I mean, if you want to argue Tim is the best in baseball, okay, that's fine, I'll hear you out. But if you're going to reinvent history, I'm sorry, what you're saying is complete bullshit.
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