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Old 11-08-2010, 09:07 AM   #16
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Additional question: Does anyone care whether Auburn is paying him or not? Do we care about athletes getting paid off in general anymore? There was probably some local backlash in Cali but I don't know anyone that really cares about the Bush scandal beyond making small jokes.

Nope, I really don't care. It gets problematic when schools lose out on players during recruitment but it doesn't bother or surprise me.
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Old 11-09-2010, 07:41 AM   #17
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Caught cheating three times at Florida.

Tried to put his name on someone else's paper, then pulled the old internet cut & paste for the same assignment. Also bought a stolen computer.

Him not being into acdemics doesn't bother me. The dishonesty bugs me a little though. I'd also guess he's going to do poorly on the Wonderlic.
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Caught cheating three times at Florida.

Tried to put his name on someone else's paper, then pulled the old internet cut & paste for the same assignment. Also bought a stolen computer.

Him not being into acdemics doesn't bother me. The dishonesty bugs me a little though. I'd also guess he's going to do poorly on the Wonderlic.
yeah, its a pretty big character flag that he was caught cheating three times and would have probably been expelled if he didnt transfer. no one expels college athletes. does character count in the nfl like in the nba (cousins slipping 4 spots due to his "character" issues)?

I am not sure how he projects as a pro, but damn hes an athlete.
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yeah, its a pretty big character flag that he was caught cheating three times and would have probably been expelled if he didnt transfer. no one expels college athletes. does character count in the nfl like in the nba (cousins slipping 4 spots due to his "character" issues)?

I am not sure how he projects as a pro, but damn hes an athlete.

Character is big. Look at Dez who slipped far because of his percieved flaws.
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Character is big. Look at Dez who slipped far because of his percieved flaws.

Mike Williams slipped to the 4th round and Blount went undrafted....
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Additional question: Does anyone care whether Auburn is paying him or not? Do we care about athletes getting paid off in general anymore? There was probably some local backlash in Cali but I don't know anyone that really cares about the Bush scandal beyond making small jokes.

No and to be honest I think the whole taking money in college thing is blown out of proportion. The media makes it sound like it's the worst thing, like it's a mortal sin. And what's funny is that the colleges market these guys, games "feature" them, etc. but then if someone dares even think about taking money everyone's like: "Ohh that is terrible!"

I also don't think his cheating is going to be a huge deal to scouts, and I would imagine it happens in college sports a decent amount. He'll def be the most interesting prospect when workouts start coming around.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:49 PM   #22
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No and to be honest I think the whole taking money in college thing is blown out of proportion. The media makes it sound like it's the worst thing, like it's a mortal sin. And what's funny is that the colleges market these guys, games "feature" them, etc. but then if someone dares even think about taking money everyone's like: "Ohh that is terrible!"

I also don't think his cheating is going to be a huge deal to scouts, and I would imagine it happens in college sports a decent amount. He'll def be the most interesting prospect when workouts start coming around.
The cheating isn't necessarily the end of the world, but being involved with a stolen computer would make me think twice. I suppose if my coaching staff was telling me he was a Pro Bowl talent I'd still take him but being involved with thieves is serious to me. And it also shows a certain amount of stupidity. He could have been the guy taking over for Tebow. He's as big now as he could have been as a Gator so it worked out ok for him but he still should have better judgment, even as a young NCAA player, than to risk his future on something that petty, not even getting into the lack of morals also being demonstrated. He doesn't sound smart at all.

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The cheating isn't necessarily the end of the world, but being involved with a stolen computer would make me think twice. I suppose if my coaching staff was telling me he was a Pro Bowl talent I'd still take him but but being involved with thieves is serious to me. And it also shows a certain amount of stupidity. He could have been the guy taking over for Tebow. He's as big now as he could have been as a Gator so it worked out ok for him but he still should have better judgment, even as a young NCAA player, than to risk his future on something that petty, not even getting into the lack of morals also being demonstrated. He doesn't sound smart at all.

Urban Meyer is really mad
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I'm also put off by him trying to steal another student's work, that's also another stupid bit of dishonorable behavior. If you want to cut and paste online it's not good but that's one thing, you're only risking yourself. But to put your name on someone else's assignment? He should not be potentially getting other people in trouble for the sake of his own laziness. And it's also really dumb. Like it's not going to come up when the other student doesn't turn in their work? "Smith, where's your paper?" "Huh? What? I just turned it in!" "I don't see it." "Oh, wow...uh, ok, as soon as I get back to my dorm I'll e-mail the document."

These are some red flags to me.
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Most definitely, although he'd never show it. Brantley isn't right for that offense, he'd be better off with a more traditional passing game.
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Most definitely, although he'd never show it. Brantley isn't right for that offense, he'd be better off with a more traditional passing game.

He's showing it by putting out info about Newton's cheating.
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He's showing it by putting out info about Newton's cheating.
Meyer could be the source, could also be someone else in the UF athletic or disciplinary departments. I think the last thing he'd want to do right now is remind the NCAA that Newton was a Gator though. Newton's suspected of taking payments, so the next logical step is to see if the schools he's gone to have been paying him. Gators want no part of this controversy right now, especially when they've already got to deal with a bad season.
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Cam Newton has shown some good composure dealing with this situation and the media thus far.
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Meyer could be the source, could also be someone else in the UF athletic or disciplinary departments. I think the last thing he'd want to do right now is remind the NCAA that Newton was a Gator though. Newton's suspected of taking payments, so the next logical step is to see if the schools he's gone to have been paying him. Gators want no part of this controversy right now, especially when they've already got to deal with a bad season.

I don't think Meyer is the direct source, but I don't think that information was released without it passing by his desk first.
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I don't think Meyer is the direct source, but I don't think that information was released without it passing by his desk first.
It's possible but this move would do UF no good and possibly draw unwanted attention from the NCAA, with the Pouncey issue fairly recent. They really don't need or want this kind of attention. And what's the benefit, further damage to an ex-players reputation? Doesn't sound productive at all.
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