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Old 11-08-2010, 08:52 PM   #31
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:07 AM   #32
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You guys are really underrating Chandler's dribble. He is just as good if not better than Gallo at ball handling. His handle is perfectly fine for a SF.

His rating according to 82games.com is 10.8
Gallinari is 10.4
Rudy Gay is 7.7
Danny Granger is 10.9
Carmelo Anthony is 15.6
Lebron James (best player in the league) is 30.3

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Old 11-09-2010, 05:43 AM   #33
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You guys are really underrating Chandler's dribble. He is just as good if not better than Gallo at ball handling. His handle is perfectly fine for a SF.

His rating according to 82games.com is 10.8
Gallinari is 10.4
Rudy Gay is 7.7
Danny Granger is 10.9
Carmelo Anthony is 15.6
Lebron James (best player in the league) is 30.3
Yet the same site you got this from state the majority of his turnovers are from "ball handling"?

How is that calculated?
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:48 AM   #34
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Yeah I'd like to know that too.

How is LeBron the best ball handler in the league?
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:14 AM   #35
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I guess that Lebron is the best ball handling small forward, because there is no way he is the best ball handler in the game today.

And how do they measure ball handling? By the amount of times he turns it over while dribbling, where he keeps the ball during a crossover, the speed of the crossover, the speed of a spin move?
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I didn't mean to say that Lebron was the best ball handler overall. I was just comparing small forwards, and made the comment that Lebron was the best player overall in the league.

Chris Paul is 33.9

Steve Nash is 36.3
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I didn't mean to say that Lebron was the best ball handler overall. I was just comparing small forwards, and made the comment that Lebron was the best player overall in the league.

Chris Paul is 33.9

Steve Nash is 36.3

I see.
Where's the ranking though? I couldn't find it... Thanks
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Where's the ranking though? I couldn't find it... Thanks

On any of the player pages.

Chandler's: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK10.HTM

It's the "Hands Rating"
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On any of the player pages.

Chandler's: http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK10.HTM

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Uh, it was easy

Interesting, thank you!
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Come on you guys can't honestly be watching the same Chandler. You can tell how uncomfortable a player is with ballhandling when there's such a huge drop in speed when he's handling the ball as opposed to someone like LeBron James, who's faster WITH the ball than most players are without it.

BTW, where is the formula for the "Hands Rating"? From what I understand I thought that just measures a player's ability to catch the ball.
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You guys are really underrating Chandler's dribble. He is just as good if not better than Gallo at ball handling. His handle is perfectly fine for a SF.

His rating according to 82games.com is 10.8
Gallinari is 10.4
Rudy Gay is 7.7
Danny Granger is 10.9
Carmelo Anthony is 15.6
Lebron James (best player in the league) is 30.3
Gallo's not a good ballhandler either. And the players you're stating handle the ball a hell of a lot more than Chandler or Gallo does. Come on when you watch them play, you have to be able to see the difference in how comfortable they are handling the ball. Chandler handles it like a PF. If you watch Chandler, you can see he can't accelerate with the ball. I've seen him TRY to accelerate and lose the ball without any pressure.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:01 PM   #42
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I am just saying Chandler is not as bad with the ball as some people are making him out to be. The way it sounds from reading some of these posts, he has handles like Dikembe Mutombo or something.

His handle is on par with most other small forwards in the league.
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Gallo's not a good ballhandler either. And the players you're stating handle the ball a hell of a lot more than Chandler or Gallo does. Come on when you watch them play, you have to be able to see the difference in how comfortable they are handling the ball. Chandler handles it like a PF. If you watch Chandler, you can see he can't accelerate with the ball. I've seen him TRY to accelerate and lose the ball without any pressure.

I agree that he has bad handles, just like Gallinari. The thing is, their ball handling abilities aren't that much worse than the ball handling of the average starting small forward in the League.

I don't like his ability to shoot pull-ups because his dribble doesn't allow him to shoot it in one motion. He loses time by dribbling out of control which results in more difficult shots.

But remember; most of the small forwards on that list aren't much better ball handlers than Wilson.
He'd be a great ballhandler at power forward. Just look at guys who play the 4: Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson or David West for example.
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I dont get how Chandler's handle is awful.If you're 6'8" and can break someone down off the dribble then your handle is fairly good.
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This is the problem of this team. If they get ice cold they have a hard time staying in games. Why? Defense and rebounding. We allowed the Bucks to shoot over 51% from the field, they had 7 more trips to the foul line and they had 11 more rebounds than us. Oh and we had 20 turnovers.
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