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Old 11-15-2010, 03:26 PM   #61
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Hes not the first guy to cut weight and rehydrate. You are better than this. He was 150 for the purposes of the fight and could have easily fought at 147. It was a welterweight fight that Arum and Co pretended was a light middleweight fight in order to get manny a fake title.

Remember when Arturo Gatti rehydrated overnight against a that one guy and damn near killed him in the ring? Gatti was like twice his size once the bell rang.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:27 PM   #62
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Hes not the first guy to cut weight and rehydrate. You are better than this. He was 150 for the purposes of the fight and could have easily fought at 147. It was a welterweight fight that Arum and Co pretended was a light middleweight fight in order to get manny a fake title.

Ok, and he was 165 lbs in the ring to Manny's 148. How does anything you typed change that fact?
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:33 PM   #63
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Ok, and he was 165 lbs in the ring to Manny's 148. How does anything you typed change that fact?
And that has no bearing whatsoever on anything. He made the 150 weight limit so for the purposes of the fight he was 150. Again its not uncommon for people to rehydrate up. Manny is impressive enough on his own not to make up accomplishments.
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And that has no bearing whatsoever on anything. He made the 150 weight limit so for the purposes of the fight he was 150. Again its not uncommon for people to rehydrate up. Manny is impressive enough on his own not to make up accomplishments.

How is it a made up accomplishment? Pacquiao has never faced anyone that big and strong with that sort of weight disadvantage. Even with DLH, he came in at 145 on the scales and rehydrated to 147 (at age 35) and that to you is more impressive than Margarito at 165 and Pac breaking his face?
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:47 PM   #65
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+ Benitez. Benitez was just one of the best defensive 147 pounders ever.
Yes... Benitez was also a great, great win. It was a dominant victory, too... And Benitez was undefeated at the time.

I was never a huge SRL guy. My favorites of that era were Duran and Hearns later on, but you can't deny what the guy accomplished.

I'll just put it like this... SRL actually dominated a guy who is above him on the pound-for-pound list (Duran). There aren't too many all-timers who can say that they dominated one of the Top 5 boxers to ever live. SRL can say that.

The interesting thing about Leonard is that he didn't fight all that much. He only had 36 bouts in his injury-plagued (and possible drug-plagued) career. However, you look at the quality of opponents and it is nearly unparalleled. Benitez, Hearns, Hagler, Duran... even guys like Kalule, Lalonde and Terry Norris/Camacho later in his career.

He may have the most star-studded resume outside of SRR.



As for Pacquiao, he has a legitimate argument for being in the Top 20 all-time. The thing that his resume is missing, though, is that other great p4p equal in their prime. That is why this potential bout with Mayweather is so important.

I've heard Pac say that he doesn't need Floyd. While that is undeniably true when it comes to finishing with a great career, he does need Floyd if he wants to crack the SRL territory.

What is Pacquiao's greatest victory? Morales? Marquez? Barrera? Cotto?

Those are very nice wins, don't get me wrong... But you won't find any of those names within anyone's Top 50 all-time pound-for-pound list.

Floyd and Manny need each other if either has any plans to make a run at the Top 10 all-time list. Hopefully, pride and ego don't get in the way of making the most sensible, obvious and historically significant boxing match since Duran-Leonard I.

In fact, ego and pride is exactly what should make this fight happen. Come on, guys.
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As for Pacquiao, he has a legitimate argument for being in the Top 20 all-time. The thing that his resume is missing, though, is that other great p4p equal in their prime. That is why this potential bout with Mayweather is so important.

I've heard Pac say that he doesn't need Floyd. While that is undeniably true when it comes to finishing with a great career, he does need Floyd if he wants to crack the SRL territory.

What is Pacquiao's greatest victory? Morales? Marquez? Barrera? Cotto?

Those are very nice wins, don't get me wrong... But you won't find any of those names within anyone's Top 50 all-time pound-for-pound list.

Floyd and Manny need each other if either has any plans to make a run at the Top 10 all-time list. Hopefully, pride and ego don't get in the way of making the most sensible, obvious and historically significant boxing match since Duran-Leonard I.

In fact, ego and pride is exactly what should make this fight happen. Come on, guys.

I say Barrera. He was in the top 5 lb 4 lb list (behind only RJJ, Hopkins, and maybe Forrest) and had run off consecutive victories against Naseem Hamed (35-0), Erik Morales (41-0), Johnny Tapia (52-2-2), and Kevin Kelley (54-5-2) and was only 29 years old and the heavy favorite when a still raw Pacquiao made his corner throw in the towel to save Marco.

Both Barrera and Morales are in most Top 50 ATG lists and are considered by most to be in the top 5 all time Mexican fighters list along with Lopez, Chavez, and Sanchez. Manny has 4 victories against them.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:20 PM   #67
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Top 15-20

Pacquiao is gonna be rank higher once he retires from professional boxing. He's not one of the most skilled Boxer of all time, But he's one hell of a fighter.

Manny Pacquiao vs. the undefeated Timothy Bradley. ( Best Light Welterweight boxer on the planet) on June 6.
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:20 AM   #68
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Pacquiao Top 5 Greatest Fights.

1. Manny Pacquiao defeated Prime Marco Antonio Barrera back in 2003 for the Ring Magazine Featherweight title. He won via 10th round TKO.

2. Manny Pacquiao winning his first world title after he defeated one of the greatest Flyweights of all time in Chachai Sasakul.

3. Manny Pacquiao defeated Prime Miguel Cotto for the WBA World Welterweight title.

4. Manny Pacquiao avenged his first defeat against Eric Morales. He won via 10th round TKO in their 2nd fight.

5. Manny Pacquiao Draw against Juan Manuel Marquez in their first fight. Pacquiao should have won in this fight, but one of the judges made an error on their scorecards.

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One of the judges (who scored the bout 113113) later admitted to making an error on the scorecards, because he had scored the first round as "107" in favor of Pacquiao instead of the standard "106" for a three-knockdown round.
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