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Old 11-20-2010, 01:46 AM   #16
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Default Re: Is the Haynesworth 'doing the worm' outcry overblown or legit?

Make him take the conditioning test again
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:46 AM   #17
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Default Re: Is the Haynesworth 'doing the worm' outcry overblown or legit?

Could never be happy with that sorry effort. It's a team game and he has an obligation to do what he can to help the team win. The coaches didn't tell him, "Ok Albert, if you push into their line and Vick moves, feel free to take a nap." His lack of effort directly lead to a teammate getting blocked who would have otherwise had a free shot at Vick's back. Play to the end of the whistle. Do your reall job, which is whatever you can to help the team win.
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:18 AM   #18
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If Albert gave me that same type of initial dominance every time but ended up on the ground and not getting up until the play was over, I'd be a happy coach. That's why I can't make a big fuss about it.

Coaches like effort and not lazy bums laying on the ground taking a nap.
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:19 AM   #19
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Do you thin converting to the 3-4 was a good choice by the Skins or should they have stayed with the 4-3?

I think they should have stayed with 4-3. Why convert when you don't even have the personnel for it?
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Default Re: Is the Haynesworth 'doing the worm' outcry overblown or legit?

that was pathetic.

play hard until the whistle.

if I had done that on my high school team I would be getting my ass chewed out and then punished with wind sprints until I puked.
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Old 11-20-2010, 11:06 AM   #21
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I personally am fine with that play. He did his job extremely well by taking on a double team and not only keeping the point of attack, but beating the double team and collasping the pocket forcing Vick to go elsewhere.
Vick didn't even move until Haynesworth was already on the ground. He probably could have stood there with Haynesworth at his feet if he really wanted to.



Like others (and myself) have already pointed out, Vick likely gets sacked or rushed by Carter if Haynesworth is still fighting with Herremans. What if another defender forces Vick to fumble but Haynesworth can't get to it because his ass is on the ground? You finish out the play 100% of the time. You seem to have a fascination with players who have a lot of talent and little effort.

By the way, check out Andre Carter toss all 340 lbs of Jason Peters to the ground.

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Old 11-20-2010, 11:12 AM   #22
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They were blitzing four in a goaline situation. It's not like his job was to occupy two guys and create a push for the linebackers to blitz the gaps. At that point they were dropping the rest into coverage and the 4 linemen were supposed to get after the quarterback. Shoving an O-lineman a few yard and then laying on the ground for 3+ seconds is not doing your job in that situation. It was a great initial push but you have to finish the play.



It WAS his job. What else could it have been? Not rush the passer? Just stand there? GTFO with that dumbass idea.

What do we always hear about regarding defensive tackles and pass rushing? Creating a push up the middle is THE MOST EFFECTIVE TYPE OF PRESSURE TO APPLY. That's why teams blitz the A and B gaps hard at times, Pitt is known for this....becuase it creates instant pressure and forces the quarterback laterally, there is no room to "step up" in the pocket.

The fact that Haynesworth created that pressure all by himself is dominance and is EXACTLY what he should've done. I can promise you that he's getting an A++ for everything except not getting back up in the film room when they review the tape. You're doing a great job as a DT if you create a push against 1 lineman, but when you're double teamed? and still get the push not allowing the quarterback to step up? That's pure dominance as a DT.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:02 PM   #23
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Default Re: Is the Haynesworth 'doing the worm' outcry overblown or legit?

How was it his job to open up the A and B gap when both MLBs dropped back into coverage? And as Posterize pointed out Albert didn't ever pose a threat to Vick. They were dropping 7 in coverage and hoping to generate a pass rush with 4 and the fact that he took himself out of the play early prevented Andre Carter from having a shot at Vick. I don't see how he possibly gets an "A++" for his work on that play.
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Old 11-20-2010, 12:19 PM   #24
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I'm confused - what do you think his job was in a PASS-RUSHING situation where he was 1 of the 4 pass rushers?

Also, that pic is a bit mis-leading....the pressure Haynesworth caused made Vick not only unable to step up in the pocket, but it forced him backwards. It's not his fault that the other 3 pass rushers didn't get any type of pressure at all.

Also, Ii you noticed, Vick lets it rip at about the same time Carter gets blocked off the play, so unless Carter is super human, Vick wouldn't have got sacked.
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I think his job was to get to the QB, not to have a really good start to the play and quit. He did half of his job very well and then decided he didnt feel like doing the other half. Not only did Vick have as much time as he pleased to make a play but Haynesworth actually freed up blocker to help against the other pass rushers.
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Wow is that awful. It doesn't seem to bother Haynesworth at all that he's become an utter joke.
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Wow is that awful. It doesn't seem to bother Haynesworth at all that he's become an utter joke.
It wouldnt bother me either if I was making that much.
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Default Re: Is the Haynesworth 'doing the worm' outcry overblown or legit?

It's funny, that o lineman could have said he had "done his job" when he had Haynesworth chewing cud but instead he looked around for someone else to block. Found someone, too.
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It wouldnt bother me either if I was making that much.
I think it would. Well, maybe you'd be a special case like Haynesworth, but the vast majority of pro athletes give an honest effort. They don't go 100% on every play, no one is that perfect, but they want to win, they want to be great, they're trying consistently. Even if you were a multimillionaire like Haynesworth, you wouldn't want to be known as someone that could be relied on and earned his keep?
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